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    When someone confuses nature (the laws which govern the universe) with our environment (all living and non-living things that occur naturally on Earth), I don't take them seriously.

    I also want to say that nature and human nature are entirely different things considering the way humans act involves a counsciousness. Nature does not have one. If you want to bring God into the arguement, then he is the Ultimate Consciousness and created the laws of the universe.

    This is in response to the link alone, I didn't feel like reading any comments.

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    Nature > Everything else. Yes, even Chuck Norris, Ryu Hayabusa, Goku and anyone/anything else.
    Greetings earthlings.

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    I don't see why I can't hate or disagree with something just because it was "supposed" to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    I don't see why I can't hate or disagree with something just because it was "supposed" to happen.
    Actually it gets better. Because if we accept that things simply are supposed to happen, then the fact that you hate or disagree with something also was supposed to happen. You were created by nature after all, and nature doesn't make mistakes.

    Therefore, by arguing that people shouldn't complain about things that are supposed to happen, this person is complaining about things that are supposed to happen.

    Funny, is it not?

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    Thermonuclear Warheads > Nature > Everything else. Yes, even Chuck Norris, Ryu Hayabusa, Goku and anyone/anything else.
    There, fixed that for you.

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    Actually it gets better. Because if we accept that things simply are supposed to happen, then the fact that you hate or disagree with something also was supposed to happen. You were created by nature after all, and nature doesn't make mistakes.

    Therefore, by arguing that people shouldn't complain about things that are supposed to happen, this person is complaining about things that are supposed to happen.
    Nature doesn't have a purpose, nor is stuff "supposed" to happen. It simply happens, guided by the rules of physics. The argument also seems to lack a real grasp on what choices and free will actually are. You're saying that people do stuff becuase it was supposed to happen as nature intended, but the future is not as clear-cut as that.

    I think you're accidently confusing nature with God and not taking choices into account. Nature is composed of rules, processes, etc. There is no will involved. God made the natural world, and you're missing that important link. Although I use God to make my point, I don't want to make this a religious argument. I could go on for hours and I simply do not have that kind of time.

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    I find it odd that I'm agreeing with Saizou onthis because we've previously debated on the concept of supernatural supposition... but I gotta admit, I think her argument is complete bullshit on the grounds that nature isnt a sentient thing with a will or a plan and therefore anything that happens in it cannot be its logical outcome, but is instead just random acts in succession, what we do changes the natural discourse of things and that change is about as far away from whats (theoretically) what would happen if we hadn't acted on it. Saying that tearing down trees cannot be the wrong thing to do because nature lets it happen is like saying that ant down there is supposed to die because I can step on it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by overmind View Post
    Nature doesn't have a purpose, nor is stuff "supposed" to happen. It simply happens, guided by the rules of physics. The argument also seems to lack a real grasp on what choices and free will actually are. You're saying that people do stuff becuase it was supposed to happen as nature intended, but the future is not as clear-cut as that.

    I think you're accidently confusing nature with God and not taking choices into account. Nature is composed of rules, processes, etc. There is no will involved. God made the natural world, and you're missing that important link. Although I use God to make my point, I don't want to make this a religious argument. I could go on for hours and I simply do not have that kind of time.
    Dude, pointing out a logical paradox doesn't mean that you agree with the argument that led to that paradox. Actually it usually means the contrary.

    What makes this even more mystifying is that I argued this very point on the previous page.

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    After reading all of this im confused but (cant think of word for it) i agrea with overmind i mean what would happen to the worled if ever one just walk the strhigt and narrow line im come on that wont be any fun rhigt!
    FHIGT TILL YOU CANT FHIGT NO MORE

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    What is...this nature?

    Its definition seems to vary widely.
    'No need to take me seriously. It's a forum.'

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    Dude, pointing out a logical paradox doesn't mean that you agree with the argument that led to that paradox. Actually it usually means the contrary.

    What makes this even more mystifying is that I argued this very point on the previous page.
    I don't think I'm agreeing with anyone.

    I forgot this thread existed.

 

 
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