Stop Religious Persecution in Iran
I'm just shocked to know Rainn Wilson is Baha'i. I had a friend in High School who was Baha'i. Nicest guy I've ever met.
That sounds like a good religion, and one that lacks in hate towards others.
that's what they first said about
Christianity and Islam.
even Buddhist have the fucking Shaolin as a armed militia
Christianity and Islam are religions of peace. Don't blame the religion, blame the people. After all they are human and us humans are fallible.
I think it's admirable for Rainn Wilson to speak up about the problems his people are facing. I love it when celebrities take part in politics(i.e. Angelina)
Last edited by dna2playboy; 02-21-2009 at 07:26 AM.
I assume that you meant to say that humans are fallible. And by that argument you can't blame any ideology for anything its followers do, since no one is infallible in that case either. Which would lead us to the slightly strange conclusion that there's nothing wrong with, say, Nazism, it's just that the nazis are bad people.Originally Posted by dna2playboy
In principle his argument is true. It still is a sad fact that people get persecuted because of entirely arbitrary reasons such as their religious beliefs. Then again, we're talking about Iran here so what can you do? As long as the country remains a theocracy it is highly unlikely that the oppression will go away.Originally Posted by dna2playboy
Ya I meant fallible. I was tired when I was writing that. Please do forgive me. Nazism is an extreme example. For one it's not even a religion. Give me some concrete examples of Christianity or Islam(mainly Islam since I'm a follower) telling it's followers to commit crimes. If you can't do that then you have no argument. I'm Muslim and in my opinion Islam is perfect, but of course the followers are not. That's why a major part of Islam is constantly asking God for forgiveness for the sins you've committed. Of course I don't believe say Hinduism or Buddhism are perfect religions and all the blame for their people's actions are on the people. I'm Muslim so it only holds for Islam.I assume that you meant to say that humans are fallible. And by that argument you can't blame any ideology for anything its followers do, since no one is infallible in that case either. Which would lead us to the slightly strange conclusion that there's nothing wrong with, say, Nazism, it's just that the nazis are bad people.
Lets not make this a religious debate. You disagreeing with my stand doesn't make you or me any less right or wrong.
Take Iran as an example, the country is run by a religious party, they impose their laws on others as part of their faith and if anyone disagrees, that person is a heretic. Iran can then eliminate that person as their belief justifies the death of heretics. Their faith justifies their control, their control ratifies their faith. Its morally wrong, but religiously there is no fault to the logic. Its the same old argument for the existence of pretty much any religion, "I'm right because I believe it, I believe it because I'm right"/"I believe in god because he exists and he exists because I believe he does".
Mixing religion + politics = dangerous (see Dune xD).
And donīt forget,all these teachings (Bible or Koran) were still written by people.I think it isnīt quite correct to still believe in the norms that were present 2000/1500 years ago -> people evolve,as well as our cultures and our views do.
And for me personally,I sure as hell donīt believe everything the bible says.I actually have to read all of the Holy Book to make my own opinion some day,but I wonīt believe that the world was made in 7 days,or that God was such a prick [<- ok,I donīt want to insult anyone here,itīs a joke,kay?] and punishes all humankind for the mistake of 2 people.Itīs just too....human.
The thing is if you're a follower then you don't believe they were written by man, so that doesn't hold true. And specifically if you're a Muslim then you know the Quran was written for all of man for all of time. Muslims view it as the final book for a reason. Cultures and people evolve but our essence is and will always be the same. The same drama that's happening now has happened over and over and over through out time. It just might become more complex is all.
If Adam and Eve, two of God's creations who have seen him and talked to him personally could be persuaded to do what he forbids, then I'm pretty sure any one of us would have too. I mean we do it all the time. We drink we kill we lie we use etc. The apple is a metaphor(yes i believe there was an actual tree and an apple) for all the things God has forbidden us to do. The devil convinced Adam and Eve to go against God's command once, yet we do it on a regular basis. So much that we don't even see them as crimes anymore.and punishes all humankind for the mistake of 2 people.Itīs just too....human.
Ok I'm officially done with this topic tho. I didn't mean to bring religion into it(I lack foresight). I just wanted to show a cool article that Rainn Wilson wrote. If you have any replies to anything I've said, feel free to PM me. But lets kill this thread that was doomed from the start. My B