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    dna2playboy is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    so let me get this straight. Genetically altered food is OK but cloning is baaadddddd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dna2playboy View Post
    so let me get this straight. Genetically altered food is OK but cloning is baaadddddd?
    yess sirrrr. we like the big chicken, the big pork.... If we didn't make those animals bigger, we'd be eating small little chicken legs, lol....
    Plus playboy, creating and enhancing are two different things.

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    how are they creating anything? do you even know how it's done? They're "creating" just about as much as your kid can be "created" in a petri dish. They're not making something from nothing.

    You would think God would be more adamant about people altering what he has already created.

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    I actually don´t have anything against cloning.As long as it´s done properly (that it no "side effects" or whatever) and as long as it ain´t used on humans (-> just NO - even if not because of religious reasons,I don´t think it´d be a good idea).
    I guess there are gonna be many things we have to get used to in the future....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    I actually donīt have anything against cloning.As long as itīs done properly (that it no "side effects" or whatever) and as long as it ainīt used on humans (-> just NO - even if not because of religious reasons,I donīt think itīd be a good idea).
    I guess there are gonna be many things we have to get used to in the future....
    Come on man, you know at some point it will be used on Humans when the technology is mastered. If you thought that only in movies where you can grow humans for parts, think again(although it might not become legal).
    but think about it, why would you wait for a cow/pork to make one baby at a time, when you can use cloning technology to create more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    and as long as it ain´t used on humans (-> just NO - even if not because of religious reasons,I don´t think it´d be a good idea).
    I don't like the idea of full human cloning simply because I can't stomache the idea all the...failures produced before and after it's perfected.

    It raises a massive, massive moral question that isn't just the cloning itself, but the murder aspect: if you make a human being without needing an ova, you then need to have the right to kill any of the resulting humans that do not develop adequate structure. Imagine a human with no legs, asymmetrical arms, and a head twisted sideways and fused into it's own chest on the end of a long down-curved half-exposed neck. Now imagine it has a fully working human brain.

    That's my problem with cloning humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    I don't like the idea of full human cloning simply because I can't stomache the idea all the...failures produced before and after it's perfected.

    It raises a massive, massive moral question that isn't just the cloning itself, but the murder aspect: if you make a human being without needing an ova, you then need to have the right to kill any of the resulting humans that do not develop adequate structure. Imagine a human with no legs, asymmetrical arms, and a head twisted sideways and fused into it's own chest on the end of a long down-curved half-exposed neck. Now imagine it has a fully working human brain.

    That's my problem with cloning humans.
    Around 2000 or before, genetically altered corn was accidently mixed with regular(non mod) corn. It resulted in allergies and other things and it cost about 1 billion dollars. I think the name of the company was Sterling or something.

    in 2002, despite food shortage, Zambia rejected 30,000 crops of genetically engineered grains. The us later sent non-genetically engineered grains.(and we know about Africa and human testing already...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by boredgwntd View Post
    Why the hell wouldn't they check the animal's DNA if its carrying some kind of virus or mutation?
    Mistakes happen. Always. And if you're messing around with the genetic base of something, then mistakes become much more costly.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon
    I actually donīt have anything against cloning.As long as itīs done properly (that it no "side effects" or whatever)
    This is the problem. You can't say you're OK with something extreme and revolutionary "as long as nothing goes wrong". The whole reason people are against it is because things are bound to go wrong. Things always go wrong. If we have to go down this road (and personally, I don't think we DO need to - like Mojo said, there is enough food for all to go around, if the fatcats would just stop looking out for themselves), then it needs to be after alot more testing and alot more precaution having been taken. Generations of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon
    and as long as it ainīt used on humans
    And that's the other no-way-it-won't-happen scenario. Once cloning becomes accepted as a general norm in society, human cloning is definitely on the way. And that raises all kinds of problems, not the least of which being the offcast mutants Terasiel mentioned.

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    Jeeez...

    Such hypocrisy from people who eat food which are GM (for instance KFC chicken), alright for those of you who are opposed to digesting cloned products. How do you think wine makers achieve crops which contain genotypes which are wanted. This process has occurred for many years, another example is farmers which use a technique called grafting to select for crops which yield traits which are favourable either by their ability to withstand temperatures, better texture or simply tasting good. There are many other types of crops which use cloning to achieve desired traits thus benefiting everyone.

    So, while some of you appear to be disgusted by the thought of eating clonned food it is simply a means of obtaining the right result. I see no reason why the use of clonned food should not be introduced into everyday life, as there are many advantages ie allow longer shelf life, introduce vitamins into some food, or even just simply making it taste better.

    Also, in parting, for those of you afraid of eating these clonned or GM food, these have been put through many trials and must be approved by the FDA and other regulatory bodies before they are able to reach your supermarkets.

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    ^word
    At any rate, you all are being much too paranoid. We all eat genetically modified food everyday, and as far as I can tell, the genetic makeup of said foods has little to no impact on anyone's health.



 

 
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