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    Terasiel is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    It's like Slavery all over again.
    Wasn't aware slavery was over with in Africa.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    Any potential harm done by proper medical research must naturally be compared with the harm that would be caused if the research in question wouldn't be done in the first place.

    And everyone with even the most rudimentary knowledge of history has to agree that the death of maybe a few hundred people per year in accidents caused by medical research is far better than hundreds of thousands, or even millions of people dying from epidemics, cancer and other nasty stuff like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    Either you're trying to be clever here (and failing miserably at it), or you're more blas about human suffering than I thought (and that's saying a lot). But I'm actually leaing towards option three, i.e. that you don't understand utility-based ethics.
    Just quoting

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4n0nm0$ View Post
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    Yes, you're trying to be clever and failing miserably at it.

    And as I thought you don't seem to understand utilitarian ethics either. And you manage to do all this without any attempt whatsoever at engaging in reasoned debate.

    I can't say that I'm very surprised.

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    I was pretty disgusted until I actually read the article... and then I'm still pretty disgusted. Why babies? Unless it was a baby-specific disease, why? I'm okay with using experimental treatments on people who would die if the cure isn't discovered (it's not personal if they do die; they have as much of a chance of survival as anyone else in the experiment unless they're on the placebo treatment), but that article made it sound like these were just sick babies put up for random research... and "many" of them were seriously ill; NOT ALL. That's disgusting.

    I'm really not okay with medical experiments on healthy people that could cause death, especially with babies. If you don't have any sick&dying people available, geez, at least grab some criminals or suicidal people with no family or something. And dear god, don't use babies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    Yes, you're trying to be clever and failing miserably at it.

    And as I thought you don't seem to understand utilitarian ethics either. And you manage to do all this without any attempt whatsoever at engaging in reasoned debate.

    I can't say that I'm very surprised.
    Lulz. First this gay saz he's okay with deaths thru drug testing, and when I say him back the same to make fun of him, he''s getting the face hugger. Lulz. Stupid troll from Hell-sink-y. I can't saay thaat I'm veery suurpriseed.

    Sum articels to get teh discussion roll back

    Body Hunting

    Aids drug test in africa

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    I think no I know it's no good to experiment on people. Nor babies nor grown ups. I was on the edge of beign a test experiment. When I was a baby but my parents protected me from it.
    Last edited by StealDragon; 08-25-2008 at 11:32 AM.

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    In most cases the parents of teh babies were poor and from a lower caste (can't write or read) and they maybe needed the money.

    Third worlds are a great place for pharmazeutical companies to do their experiments, cause it's cheap and the ppl don't expect much money for teh testing like in europe. There was that case in London where several ppl had high affections after sum drug test experiment and the company went bankrupt after that. Not the same risks in africa or india

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    What are you talking about? Why would the risk be lower in Africa? Did you read the article that you posted about the Aid drugs in Africa? The Ugandan government is worried about the drugs not meeting international standards. This drug - Nevirapine - is sold internationally. The Ugandan government is arguably the best in Africa at trying to protect its citizens from Aids.

    Drug testing isn't as prevalent in Africa as the rest of the world, because poor general health care means that the patients and control groups don't provide good subjects. Aids drug testing is common though. There are also different strains of Aids that only really appear in Morocco and in West Africa. Where else would you like to test these?

    I agree that more controls should exist world wide on the use of humans as Guiney pigs. As you posted earlier, there was the scandal in England where the people doing drug tests almost died. This isn't just a third world problem.

    Oh, and Saizo is right. The Nazi link is pointless and distracts from the debate. They weren't doing experiments for the betterment of mankind. They were torturing people. If some knowledge was gained from this, it was a side issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4n0nm0$ View Post
    Lulz. First this gay saz he's okay with deaths thru drug testing, and when I say him back the same to make fun of him, he''s getting the face hugger. Lulz. Stupid troll from Hell-sink-y. I can't saay thaat I'm veery suurpriseed.

    omg..
    when you cannot win an discussion with arguments you can still try to insult people...sometimes people should just shut up....



    about the drug eperiments...
    it IS disgusting to read about babys beeing misused as guinea pigs...
    for whatever reason, its like reducing children to mere items for trading...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4n0nm0$ View Post
    Lulz. First this gay saz he's okay with deaths thru drug testing, and when I say him back the same to make fun of him, he''s getting the face hugger. Lulz. Stupid troll from Hell-sink-y. I can't saay thaat I'm veery suurpriseed.
    Very well then, let us stop beating around the bush.

    The fact of the matter is that you, from here on referred to as "kid" (because I can't bother to spell out that jumble of symbols), are ignorant, irrational and generally not funny. In fact I would say that you have single-handedly managed to lower the general level of intelligent discussion of the entire forums. Which, I must admit is quite an achievement that not many have attained.

    So far your career on these forums has consisted of little more than posting pure spam mixed with thinly-veiled attempts at offending people. Now I don't know where you come from, but the common definition of a productive discussion does not include that kind of behaviour from one party. And believe me kid, you're not really scoring points here. Were I a more insensitive man I would simply write you off as another troll, but in the spirit of charity I'll assume that you're just immature, and thus I suggest that you grow up a bit, kid.

    And finally your pronounciation of Helsinki is wrong. That's already three strikes kid, you're out.

 

 
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