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    R3dKnight is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    I'm not going to argue about that, I've to agree with most of them

    Putin doesn't need to argue or discuss with Georgia or Europe (And U.S since they stick their nose everywhere).

    He just invaded and bitchslap you at home.
    Russia is back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3dKnight View Post
    I'm not going to argue about that, I've to agree with most of them

    Putin doesn't need to argue or discuss with Georgia or Europe (And U.S since they stick their nose everywhere).

    He just invaded and bitchslap you at home.
    Russia is back.
    That's exactly the point, and remember not long ago the US were talking about putting some strategic "defense" missiles in the region. Russia didn't agree but Bush said he was going on with it anyways, so Russia attacking Georgia with a small fraction of its force(20,000) of over 500,000 and totally crushing Georgia is a warning to Georgian president and mostly the US and president Bush.

    Although we are the best organized army there is, the fact that we are in a Peak Oil time would make it difficult for us to win. Why do you think we havent tapped the stored oil we have, because should a war breakout, we will need that oil to wage war should oil supplies around the world start diminishing.
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    Lets talk about Europe for a minute, although they say they are our allies, in fact they have been using us to strengthen their economy. Ever wonder why the EU got the strongest economy around? when war broke out in iraq, they only supplied a small fraction of forces. Whenever something happens we are the ones doing the dirty work. Our economy weakens while theirs grows.

    And I dare people tell me that Europe is not a country, maybe at least not by name, but think about it: IT has an anthem, a constitution, a governing body, a currency and an army. Now check this other fact, when war broke out between russia and Georgia, did any individual country send an envoy?? no, the European Union sent representatives....

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    Haven't they try to warned the U.S about invading Iraq
    would be a disaster?

    I remember that the French Veto against the Americans

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    The thing with "European Union" is tricky.IF we would be more like one country,nobody would do shit against us in all things (more or less - I mean we´d be pretty powerful in economy and all the other things).But till we get to be one country(if it ever happens before mankind destroys itself) long time will pass.At the moment,the Union is just making stupid rules :P .
    And don´t take this as an offence Dollar (didn´t know u were russian ) but I don´t think anybody would like to see Russia having thaaat much power (except Serbia :P).
    If they´d cut out our gas or smth,we´d still have military power - but (like always) the people would suffer.
    Of course we all are more or less patriotic,but I´m trying to see this out of a neutral point of view (the best would be of course if all the great powers would be under control of Romania - without it´s current politicians of course and with me as president xDDDD)
    Joke aside,I hope it will never come to such a scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    The thing with "European Union" is tricky.IF we would be more like one country,nobody would do shit against us in all things (more or less - I mean weīd be pretty powerful in economy and all the other things).But till we get to be one country(if it ever happens before mankind destroys itself) long time will pass.At the moment,the Union is just making stupid rules :P .
    And donīt take this as an offence Dollar (didnīt know u were russian ) but I donīt think anybody would like to see Russia having thaaat much power (except Serbia :P).
    If theyīd cut out our gas or smth,weīd still have military power - but (like always) the people would suffer.
    Of course we all are more or less patriotic,but Iīm trying to see this out of a neutral point of view (the best would be of course if all the great powers would be under control of Romania - without itīs current politicians of course and with me as president xDDDD)
    Joke aside,I hope it will never come to such a scenario.
    first off, im not Russian. BUt wether European citizens like to deny it or not, European Union is structured like a country and it amazed me how it became this big so smoothly.

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    oh , I read "Russia" and then "we" - sorry,I misread xD
    well,it ain´t really so smoothly - look at Ireland I must say xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    oh , I read "Russia" and then "we" - sorry,I misread xD
    well,it ainīt really so smoothly - look at Ireland I must say xD
    Ireland are just trying to be hard b/c of their long history of bad blood with england. And North Ireland is part of Great Britain, so Ireland dont really matter much.

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    Well Georgia is at fault here. So why is everyone accusing russia.

    georgia attacked innocents and russia gave that bloodthirsty bastards a good kick in the ass.

    i wouldn't mind russia taking over georgias goverment and let them swallow their own medicin.

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    What? Um. Yeah. Georgia shouldn't have taken out the aimless Ossetians. No one will argue that. The problem is that Russia stepped in to what is effectively an internal conflict. They needed UN permission to do it. It's not about whether it was the right thing to do, just about whether it was legal and by-the-book. Pretty much the same as any other conflict, I guess.

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    And it looks like the shooting war is over.

    Interestingly enough it also seems as if the Georgians were lying all along about the extent of the russian advance.

    Georgian officials said Russian troops had moved out of South Ossetia into Georgia proper, occupying the city of Gori while Georgian troops were retreating to the capital.

    But US defense officials said they were unable to corroborate the Georgian claims.

    "We don't see anything that supports they are in Gori," said a defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "I don't know why the Georgians are saying that."

    So in the final analysis it looks like the russians chased out the georgian forces from South Ossetia and Abkhazia (just like they said they would do) while the georgian government lied through their teeth and tried to paint the whole thing as an attempted annexation of the entire country.

    It will be interesting to see if the media and governments in the west will come to the same conclusion. I, for one, find that what sympathy I once had for the georgian government is pretty much gone right now.

 

 
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