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    That's the thing though, the guy has been successful in everything that he do. Still McCain has supported most of Bush policies and bills which is not a good indication. Not to mention that McCain has admitted not knowing nothing about the economy. He parades himself as a foreign policy expert just because he suffered some torture during vietnam(im not tryin to be harsh). I dont know man, i just want to try something different. George Bush has destroyed our economy, most of the money we borrowed for the war are from Chinese Banks which further put us into deficit. Not to mention that we are giving them more lee-way over us.


    I hope Obama takes care of Welfare System because i think this luxury is further weighting down on our economy and it fascilitates the laziness of people that do not feel like working. Its not being racist cause i'm black. I thin we can use that money for education and health care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon
    Thats because the mud slinging right loves to brand any serious liberal as socialist.
    And the odd thing is that it works. From an european point of view it is strange to see how politicians who would be considered centre-right here in Europe are branded as far-left extremists, while politicians who would be relegated to the ultra-right kooky fringe over here are somehow considered centrist in the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko
    Here's a good one from a, shall we say, rather liberal news source
    Actually Wilson makes little sense there. The first part of his article is essentially unfouded speculation about what Obama maybe would have done if he would have been in the US senate at that time. Note that Wilson actually tries to argue that there's no reason to assume that Obama would not have voted differently than Clinton. What he fails to understand is that he needs to prove that there is a reason to assume that he actually would vote in the same way.

    The second part of his article is more unfounded speculation about Obama's foreign policy acumen mixed with wild accusations of dereliction of duty. First of all the same charge could be levelled at both Clinton and McCain, who both have had as abysmal attendance records as Obama (more on that later), hell it could be used against nearly every US official that's ever seriously run for POTUS.

    Secondly, Obama has demonstrated that he does in fact have foreign policy acumen, most recently on Iraq, when Prime Minister al-Maliki confirmed that the Iraqi government essentially shares Obama's view on troop withdrawals.

    In conclusion (and looking at the date when the article was posted) it seems as if this liberal source (while admittedly liberal) was in fact a part of the Clinton attack machine back when Hillary was doing her worst to throw everything up to and including the kitchen sink at Obama. Considering that Wilson strongly supported Clinton during the primaries, knowing how dirty Hillary fought, and recalling the errors of reasoning that I've pointed out, one must call the objectivity of this article into question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    He has authored some good bills, I will admit, but what can be seen from his voting record is that everything is decidedly, well, average. Heck, a good bit of his bills are the same few bills introduced in a different session of congress.
    Maybe you can say I am trying to find fault with him, but there is nothing stellar about his Congressional career, that would lead me to trust his political acumen. It seems more to me, especially regarding his abysmal 07-08 attendance and the fact that he has done almost nothing with his European Affairs chairmanship, that he is using his seat as a stepping stone, nothing more.
    Though it must be pointed out that the vast majority of his absences are from the second quarter of 07 and onwards, which is pretty logical considering that he's been campaigning. This is also pretty consistent with McCain and Clinton. Though in Obama's case this looks worse in the absence percentages because he hasn't been in the Senate as long as Clinton or McCain.

    And I still must confess my skepticism towards the idea that Obama's senate career would only be a stepping stone. It is a damn long shot for a junior senator to actually win the primary against the obvious heir apparent. Did anyone here honestly believe that Obama would beat Clinton back in early 2007? Hell, did anyone seriously even consider that he might be the nominee in 2008 back in -05 when he got into the senate? Sure, he was a up and coming political star, but no one in their right mind would have argued that he'd be the most likely man to become the 44th POTUS.

    Therefore, we can conclude that even Obama himself didn't think of his senatorial career as a stepping stone back when he got in, or that we're dealing with the most audacious bastard in US politics since Teddy Roosevelt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    Secondly, Obama's not Mr. Perfect. He won't be right all the time, and he has done some bad decisions, such as his recent vote on the FISA bill. Part of this can be attributed to a drive to appeal to the swing voters in the US which tends to be necessary in order to win the elections.
    Only defense I can think of for that would be that civil trials would fail horribly.

    They've been attempted already, but the defense basically comes down to "if a wiretap occurs and no one involved in the litigation has the security clearance to know about it, does it still occur?"

    Still a horrible vote though, doesn't even make any sense in the context of the campaign.

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    I'd like to die with the songs I love stuck in my head. I hope to make the most of these hollow bones we become.
    I raise a toast to the the souls that sang all along. I've been gathering friends to just to make some sounds,
    before the ship goes down, I've been making amends by making the rounds before the whole world ends


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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai View Post
    Only defense I can think of for that would be that civil trials would fail horribly.

    They've been attempted already, but the defense basically comes down to "if a wiretap occurs and no one involved in the litigation has the security clearance to know about it, does it still occur?"
    IANAL, but doesn't this come awfully close to obstruction of justice?

    Though obstruction of justice apparently isn't a crime anymore, or at least not when the administration does it.

    Quote Originally Posted by adonai
    Still a horrible vote though, doesn't even make any sense in the context of the campaign.
    Indeed. I can't really understand what Obama hopes to gain from it. The most likely explanation is either that he's trying to court the political centre and fucked up, or that he's got something sneaky planned.

    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon
    I like this guy.
    Who, Glenn Beck? I kinda lost respect for the man back when he started comparing environmentalists to nazis.

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    Obama wins hearts, not minds, in Berlin - CNN.com

    Gotta credit the Germans, they are sharp...
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    But nobody in the German press appears to have been quite as smitten by their visitor as Bild reporter Judith Bonesky, who had the opportunity to work out with Obama in the gym of the Ritz Carlton Hotel earlier in the day.

    "Obama (with toned arms and a strong back) puts on his headphones for his iPod to listen to pop music. He hums quietly. Then he jumps on a fitness bike. He pushes three times on the pedals -- but then can't be bothered with it.
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    "He picks up a pair of 16 kilo weights and starts curling them with his left and right arms, 30 repetitions on each side. Then, amazingly, he picks up the 32 kilo weights! Very slowly he lifts them, first 10 curls with his right, then 10 with his left.

    Quickly I ask: "Mr. Obama, could I take a photo?". "Of course!" he answers, before asking my name and coming over to stand next to me. "My name's Judith" I reply. "I'm Barack Obama, nice to meet you!" he says, and puts his arm across my shoulder. I put my arm around his hip -- wow, he didn't even sweat! WHAT A MAN!"
    What the hell?! XD

    ...I thought American journalists were bad...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    Who, Glenn Beck? I kinda lost respect for the man back when he started comparing environmentalists to nazis.
    Media Matters - Stein on Obama's convention speech: "Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done"

    I retract my previous assertion. I would have kicked Jonah's ass off my show the second he put FDR and Hitler in the same sentence. Fucking twats. Oh and Ben Stein needs to be immolated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Media Matters - Stein on Obama's convention speech: "Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done"

    I retract my previous assertion. I would have kicked Jonah's ass off my show the second he put FDR and Hitler in the same sentence. Fucking twats. Oh and Ben Stein needs to be immolated.
    I wonder when Ben Stein will start comparing Arnold Schwarzenegger with Hitler because both were born in Austria. I would pay good money to see that happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Obama wins hearts, not minds, in Berlin - CNN.com

    Gotta credit the Germans, they are sharp...What the hell?! XD

    ...I thought American journalists were bad...
    >_>

    LOL the Germans are indeed sharp, but if you think about it, the only way US can save money in the war is if US allies actually help ^_^


    With the Support of its allies US (IE Obama if he wins) can plan a good strategy for the troops retreat >_>

    This morning a guy compared Barack to Hitler, and for a second I actually tough about it... But there is nothing wrong with that, a guy with the power to move masses can turn very bad, but can also turn to be extremely good ^_^ the chances are 70% he goes bad 20% he goes evilly fine and 10% he goes good and with the economy and the world in such a bad shape, I AM WILLING TO RISK THE LIVES OF ALL THE FOOLS!!!

    I however, have everything ready for the end of the world as we know it, I already have my back up plan, my gang for friends a cache of weapons or at least were to get them and our minds set that there is a possibility we will have to kill others in order to survive X_X
    DEAD TO THE RETARDS!!!
    DEAD TO THE FANBOYS!!!
    DEAD TO THE WERESHEEP!!!

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    Hate campaigns vids, one more hilarious than the other.

    John McCain Ad - What Will Barack Obama Change Next?

    Obama-Hasselhoff 2008

    Obama New World Order Speech in Berlin hailed by SKY News

    Obama's Berlin Speech

    Some of the youtube comments suck ballz...
    ROFL. What kind of americans are really falling for that shizz?

 

 
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