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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    She describes that as a bitter moment though.
    Yeah. I think it speaks for itself.
    Context?

    There would be no one to live for during those coming years; she would live for herself. There would be no powerful will bending hers in that blind persistence with which men and women believe they have a right to impose a private will upon a fellow-creature. A kind intention or a cruel intention made the act seem no less a crime as she looked upon it in that brief moment of illumination.
    Sounds different to me...

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    SD, valuing your selfish desires over the life of another? I have met people like that, and this seems to be the kind of person described in the story. I am sorry, but this is not a good person.

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    Wait. You actually believe there are good people in the world? Jeez. I'm the liberal one? No one is a good person. Never mind.



    How is it a bad thing to have and fulfill your desires? Isn't the ability to do what you want a basic human freedom? She implies that he bends her to his will, and no matter what his intention that this is a crime. We don't know anything about Brently other than he's the type of person who would improve the lives of those closest to him only by dying. I find it hard to believe that anyone could see Louise's reaction and say that shes wrong for feeling that way. If his death meant her liberation then so be it! It's obvious she wouldn't have killed him, she's too apathetic. The opportunity for freedom came suddenly and definitively and she embraced it with monstrous joy.


    I like this discussion.


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    No one has said it is bad to fulfil ones desires; what the others have been arguing here was her reaction after her husband died. I'd understand if he was a bastard, but the quote DG posted makes it seem as if he was a good person. So, I wonder what she meant with "free" and the precise context of it.


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    There are no inherently good people. But there are few truly evil people. Everybody is part of a more neutral state where things are based off of deeds and what you do.

    She does not sound like an inherently bad person (ie ripping off old people and stepping on kittens) but declaring herself to be free after her husband who isn't judged to be good or bad doesn't earn her any brownie points from the "good people".

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    Its debatable!!! You know what we need, character analysis!!!

    I'd like to think Brently is a nice person, but something tells me hes just ignorant. Late 1800's, women are obedient wives, yadda yadda yadda... Brently and Louise get married, don't get around to popping out a couple of babies, but lead a stable if typical life. He plays his role and runs the household, bringing home the bacon. She plays her role and does what he asks when he asks, finds time to socialize, careful not to seem improper with friends. She satisfies Brently physically, but not out of interest but out of duty. Brently can be overbearing sometimes, constantly keeping track of Louise but she knows he has good intentions as the world is a cruel place and she won't do well without him there to watch her. She justifies his jealously. He never realizes that although she appreciates his attention and his care, she really does hate how involved he is in her life. He's her husband not her siamese twin. If only she could get one word into the conversation, or once have something done her way, does he really need to know the order in which she washes dishes or the days laundry is done?

    I could go on building the scenario justifying her reaction from what she's said but I don't wanna do all the talking. :]


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    SD, valuing your selfish desires over the life of another? I have met people like that, and this seems to be the kind of person described in the story. I am sorry, but this is not a good person.
    It is not a question about selfish desire vs. the life of a person, it is a question about the right of individual freedom. The woman in the story did not have this due to the social structure at the time, where the common view was that wives were little more than the property of their husbands.

    In essence, her husband was also her jailer, the person who, though never consciously intending to do so, was denying her her personal liberty. Now, to turn the tables, I find it surprising that you as a conservative are belittling the desire for individual freedom.

    Whatever happened to Patrick Henry's famous words "Give me liberty or give me death"?

    In any case, it is entirely understandable reaction, and interestingly enough, the ultimate blame must fall on society. Neither Louise nor Brently can be blamed for an unjust social structure. Remember that if the relationship would be more egalitarian, the entire reason for Louise's happiness at the news of Brently's death would evaporate. As the situation is described now, she can't feel anything else than relief.

    What if you had been unjustly imprisoned, and one day you awaken and find that your jailer has died and you're free? Wouldn't anyone feel relieved?

    No, this is a tragical story indeed that shows the folly of inequality and how people are twisted under its yoke. To tie into another discussion, this is literature.

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    I've read The Yellow Wallpaper. So what's the topic about? I can now contribute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csuti View Post
    I've read The Yellow Wallpaper. So what's the topic about? I can now contribute.
    Its about whether you can extract any feminist ideals from it. But we're not up to that yet. This is what we're talking about "The Story of an Hour"


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    @saizou: Well it's true what you said..but if you're wife's a little annoying(a little because she said he did have his good moments) would you be happy that she died? Better yet, would you die if you found out she's not dead?
    Last edited by bipolargraph; 05-14-2008 at 08:55 AM.

 

 
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