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    In Neurland, if there are no male heirs to inherit the lineage, then on of the daughters will become socially male, and marry a woman and that women will bare her children.

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    ^I'm quite sure there still are some cultures where you can buy women, and slaves.


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    Slaves generally aren't considered to be male though, they are slaves to be used a tools in whatever way is fitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealthMoose View Post
    Is it beyond the realms of conceivability that the person just be taken as an individual, without having to to assign certain concepts to them.
    Yeah, it is, actually, if you want the English language to maintain any sense of worth.

    If anyone can call themselves whatever they want, and that makes them that thing, regardless of how different they are from that given thing in everyone else's eyes, then what's the point of having the name in the first place?

    If nobody thinks that person is a man, and going by everyone's deifinition of a man, she isn't one, but she can still be a "man", because she's an individual... does that mean, like adonai said, I can call myself a vampire mermaid, and actually be one?

    Even though other people might not think I really meet the criteria for vampire mermaid, and actually fit "human" better, why do you have to pigeonhole me so much? Isn't it OK for me to just feel like I'm a vampire mermaid? And who are you to tell me who I really am, anyway?? After all, as far as I'm concerned, vampire mermaids don't have tails or drink blood or live under the sea. They actually act very similarly to humans. If you take all my characteristics, and line them up against what I believe a vampire mermaid to be, then you'll find I actually am one.

    And thus the meaning of language collapses.

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    lol I even found a way to sit on the fence with this one.
    Physicall he is a femal, 2 X-chromosomes, they haven't found a way to change that to my knowledge. Socially though, he choses to present himself as male. He feels emotionally that he identifies more with the male gender, it doesn't physically make him a man, but if how different is it from putting on makeup? deciding you agree with one thought process above another? He decided his role socially was a male one. I guess that's up to him and I think I can respect his wish to be defined socially as one. I would still say he is physically a woman, but if he wants to be defined as a male that's up to him.

    I could dye my hair brown, I'd still be a blonde, that's physically what I am, but people would see me and call me a brunette.

    Oh, Sherman, the meaning of language is always subjective. Language describes what we see or feel, not always what is true. That's the problem is that people can change definitions to suit themselves.

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    If it were someone who became a man and just wanted to have a baby, that'd be one thing - that'd be a woman. In this case, though, it's someone who still intends to be the father of the baby, not the mother, and who is having it because his wife can't. It's like having a surrogate, in a sense. Technically, they could have done that, but this option was probably cheaper (and you wouldn't have to consider the surrogate's emotional attachment or anything). So... why not, I guess.

    (I always thought a man had a penis and a woman didn't, and that's what made them... what they are. o_o Except in the case of hermaphrodites, who are apparently not always men.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post

    (I always thought a man had a penis and a woman didn't, and that's what made them... what they are. o_o Except in the case of hermaphrodites, who are apparently not always men.)
    Or Koreans.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    (I always thought a man had a penis and a woman didn't, and that's what made them... what they are. o_o Except in the case of hermaphrodites, who are apparently not always men.)
    Someone best tell Digi about the vagina...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoMunkeez View Post
    Or Koreans.
    Im confused what do you mean by that? $5 that was towards Hanul too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverwmoon View Post
    Oh, Sherman, the meaning of language is always subjective. Language describes what we see or feel, not always what is true. That's the problem is that people can change definitions to suit themselves.
    I don't have a problem with her calling herself whatever she wants. But I'm not going to call her a man. And I don't like that she wants people to call her a man when she's doing such distinctly unmanly things. The kid's going to grow up with a serious inability to determine what makes a man and what makes a woman.

    My friend Bob, by the way, is a non-violent pacifist. He sits in front of various army bases every day holding signs protesting various acts of war the army is involved in which the members of the army have to see on thir way to work each day.

    He's been doing it for a few years, and decided it wasn't really working, so for the last few weeks he's been setting off bombs at various camps around the place every few days, along with warnings to withdraw from the war. He figured that'd get people listening much more, and it's true - he's caused a hell of a lot of damage to property, and killed a fair number of people, and injured many more.

    But he got annoyed when I suggested it kind of went against his non-violent pacifist morals. He said of course he was still a non-violent pacifist, this was just one of his methods. But he's still very non-violent, and bitterly resents anyone who suggests otherwise, especially if they distract him while he's wiring up another bomb.

 

 
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