is this what western people think of chinese?wth`

Portillo is a tool and he most likely knows as well as anyone else that comparisons to Nazi Germany are really over the top. Either way I really doubt the Olympic games are gonna do much to change people's perceptions about China, namely that they're fairly shitty. That being said I also don't think the majority of sensible people are that fond of any government instition, whether it be China, America, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, UK, Australia, Brasil, Canada, Turkey, Russia etc. etc. They're all pretty fucking shitty in their own ways.

Also just to clarify for anyone too much of dribbling fuckmook to work it out, when I (and assumedly most people) say China etc it means the government and ends there.

@mojo

the west loevs tibet, i doubt that any country would dare invade Tibet if it ever get its independance. which is probably "never" anyway. as for the support-tibet-economy argument, that was part of my point. just let tibet go. if tibet goes down the shitter because it now has independance and tibetans cry for re-unification, then china just got itself a huge mandate to take it back.

... and i don't know what western news sources you've been reading, but the one i've read talked disturbingly about how rioters targeted chinese people but treated tourists like god. they also talked about blockades and whatnot. fairly balanced to me.

one last thing, have you tried criticizing the government publicly while you were there? thought not.

@neruke


btw freedom means nothing if you don't have any stability. i thought iraq would've proved that to everyone by now.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaah.

Anyway about Tibet. Mojo I wonder about this "China is there to stop India from invading"... why exactly would India invade Tibet? Even if the Chinese left and it was an independent nation (ripe for the picking I assume) why would India even attempt to provoke an area of Chinese interest. Where's the benefit? You yourself said Tibet is worthless.

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I do criticize the government when I'm in China. Many people do. They gripe about how the bureacracy stifles their upward mobility and how the higher-ups have all the hookups. It's one of the main conversation topics in taxicabs, in teahouses, in parks, everywhere.

Again: don't assume.

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@mojo

i meant on radio waves and/or blogs where government officials can find or see them. there are a highly publicized cases of people that have done that and have gotten arrested.

You know why? because Western media hates China.
Naturally, if you slander the government and try to start a movement against it, said government would have to act on it. Have some common sense. This is the case with any country.

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There, Eastern(China Specifically, as there are countries that would even call China "The West" at this point) /Western (America?) solved. (Parenthesis)

Dui Hua News: Statistics Show Chinese Political Arrests Rose Again in 2007

i doubt even 10% of those arrests even had a snowball's chance in hell at threatening mainland's security. and there's a big difference between criticizing and starting a movement against. why don't you back your statements up with some hard facts yourself ?