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    They're not a country, they're an autonomous region. Difference.


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    Well, the point is still the same/almost the same. Forcing them into something they don't want, no matter if it is good/bad, is still a hard thing to do.

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    Freedom > Everything.

    Every region, country, state MUST have the right to decide on his own independence!
    The people must have the right to vote if they want to be part of a state or any association.


    And the majority of the tibetans DONT want to be part of china, thats the truth you can't deny.
    If you do, you are a liar. Period.




    And one more thing.
    In my opinion the chinese regime is a criminal organisation, and that the whole world is playing along is a huge shame for all of us.
    They do disrespect human rights, they do disrespect personal rights, they do disrespect freedom of press.

    People fight and die for those rights worldwide, and China is allowed to do what ever they want?!
    What a big shame for the world.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    Freedom does not > everything. Sometimes personal freedoms have to be sacrificed for the good of the individual or state.

    And another thing; it pisses me off when people rag on China for being some great human rights and environmental violator. Yea, they're not so great in those departments, but it's somewhat unfair to neglect what America (fuck yea!) is doing. Whatever happened to fairness in the press?


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    Quote Originally Posted by neruke View Post
    Freedom > Everything.
    O RLY

    Every region, country, state MUST have the right to decide on his own independence!
    The people must have the right to vote if they want to be part of a state or any association.
    Sure they have the right, the Chinese aren't denying them this right at all, they're just disagreeing with the idea.


    And the majority of the tibetans DONT want to be part of china, thats the truth you can't deny.
    If you do, you are a liar. Period.
    Now where exactly did you get this information?
    I can assure you that the majority of Tibetans are happily living on their governement provided land and could care less about Tibetan independence. It is just a small group of people who don't even live in Tibet (i.e. the Dalai Lama) who are the vocal minority in this case.



    And one more thing.
    In my opinion the chinese regime is a criminal organisation, and that the whole world is playing along is a huge shame for all of us.
    They do disrespect human rights, they do disrespect personal rights, they do disrespect freedom of press.
    Really now? I'm in China right now. I for one do not feel that any of my rights are violated. I can say what I want, I can do what I want. Nothing happens to me. And of course there is censorship. There is censorship everywhere. Take all the blacked out portions of the 9/11 Commission report, for one. I'm not setting China on a pedestal, but rather saying that it's quite comparable to the United States and other Western nations as a whole. The Chinese, contrary to popular belief, celebrate their minorities, as long as said minorities don't try and sabotage the government. They have huge exhibits in their museums showcasing all the different minority cultures' artwork and cultural dress. I know, I was just there a couple of days ago.

    People fight and die for those rights worldwide, and China is allowed to do what ever they want?!
    What a big shame for the world.
    No. People fight for oil. No one cares about freedom. There is no oil in Darfur, hence, no one cares.
    China is allowed to do what it wants the same way the United States gets to do what it wants. China is a superpower in the world and so is the US, with the most intimadating economic potential in the world. In this world, money talks, not dimwitted wannabe do-gooders like you. You can't do anything to China. Enact an embargo? Well, there goes 90% of all your manufactured goods, they're all MADE IN CHINA. UN Sanctions? Who cares? China is more than self-sufficient. Nuke? Morbidly put, what's a couple million dead Chinese? We have close to 2 billion more where that came from. And we have nukes, too.
    This is how the world plays ball. Get used to it, buddy.

    Just my 2 cents.
    That's right. 2 cents. That's about how much your input was worth. It brought nothing to the table whatsoever. Go out and see the world before you come back with more close-minded garbage filtered through the poison of western propaganda.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoMunkeez View Post
    Western media shows Chinese armed vehicles rolling into Tibet, but it doesn't show the Tibetan rioters firebombing Chinese businesses and shops. Nor does it show actual Tibetans themselves condemning the whole movement.
    It is in Tibet's best interests to stay unified with China.
    It does if you watch the BBC (even if they are pro independence).
    Also, I don't know how relevent it is, but I think China keeps trying to lay claim to Taiwan, yet they seem to be doing all right independantly.

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    Uh..Taiwan has always been a part of China ever since the end of World War II.
    Taiwan doesn't dare declare independence. Over half the population doesn't want to, anyways.
    Taiwan is like Tibet, it's an autonomous region. And it's not doing well at all. The economy has gone to the dumps and a recent survey has shown that Taiwanese are the most pessimistic people in the Eastern Asian region.



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    Eh? Germany was a civilized nation and has been civilized centuries longer than America. Just because they got some over enthusiastic Nazi guys who decided killing Jews was cheaper than deporting them, that doesn't really speak for the nation as a whole.

    Anyway, the Olympics basically means income for whatever country is hosting it. So there's really no surprise there.

    As for the Tibet thing, China may be committing a crime, or they may not. The world isn't going to do anything about it since they have no interest in Tibet. Tibet is of no actual political or economical significance so the world won't do a thing.

    Mao killed more Chinese men than the Japanese did men and women, but you didn't see America busting down their door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKofC View Post
    Eh? Germany was a civilized nation and has been civilized centuries longer than America
    I have a problem with this statement, America hasn't exactly been around for a substantial amount of time...


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    Hence Germany being civilized longer. Germans were probably already frolicking around in their garments made out of cotton while listening to Orchestra music by famous German composer A while Americans (who weren't American yet actually) were still offering human sacrifices to [FINAL FANTASY VIII SUMMON].

    Then again 'civilized' is a matter of perspective. Anyone who didn't believe that Mary was a virgin was uncivilized to the eyes of medieval blokes, but I'm quite sure that the Aztecs thought that Hernan and his conquistadores we're pretty ugly and uncivilized pansy men who frolick around in cotton garments.

 

 
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