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    Default Zombie Survival V2 Realistic Style

    This zombie survival thread is for discussion and consideration about how one would deal with a realistically plausible scenario.

    Zombies: Unfortunately, as depicted in general zombie lore, a slow shuffling zombie is just not going to happen. Most likely the zombies would be a result of either a militarized virus that's evolved to overcome it's kill switch, or a virus that's evolved to have a near perfect level of balanced qualities.

    Info on disease kinds: Militarized diseases come in two varieties, MAD and tactical.

    A MAD [Mutually Assured Destruction] would be one of those rather nasty ones with a near 100% lethality rate, a long primary incubation period with extremely virulant transmission , with a non-lethal secondary or teritary stage which insures it would pass under the radar, with infection spreading globally. The next stage would be a rapid and lethal explosion of the virus, meaning that if you can see the signs of infection on a person, your probablly infected too. It would require a Level A closed environment hazmat or NBC[military version, most closely resembels Gordon Freeman's HEV], since filters only reduce air particulates to non-lethal levels.

    A tactical disease would be one designed to wipe out people and leave infrastructure intact, to this end, it would be highly virulant with an incubation period of minutes or hours, but because of this it would kill its source of trasnmission and thus be unable to spread after all possible vectors of transmission are dead. It would be engineered to be vulnerable outside of the body - rapidly dying outside of a host. A disease like this is the only likely cause of a zombie attack.

    The Disease: The original disease would do what it is intended to do - destroy the population of an area. However, the rapid mutations and cross-pollination with other viruses might create a new strain of this virus. This one would have a longer incubation period, and be nonlethal to its host, or have nonlethal effects to an appreciable number of infected hosts. Rabies like symptoms would destroy the higher functions of the mind, or boost the 'lower' functions priority such that higher level functions are subservient to lower functions.

    Note: this would only work if somewhere along the lines it gains rabies symptoms or similar disease, otherwise it's just another SARS pandemic

    Zombie Qualities
    Biologically, they would be equivalent to a human, perhaps slightly stronger than your average person if they have an increased metabolism [they would also have to eat more, but same said metabolism could prove deadly as the body burns muscle as readily as fat]
    The zombies would still have the same durability as a human, but would likely be faster [in that their movements are based on reflexive motions rather than conscious consideration, like a martial artist vs. a nublet street fighter] and have little consideration of their own intrisic health or regard for pain.
    [You could rip off an arm and they'd keep coming untill they bleed to death over you, like real rabies victims]
    Otherwise, nothing else remarkable about them, though if your in such an environment, it's highly unlikely that they are contact or airborne contagious, and you would need direct body fluid transmission to be infected, otherwise you and the rest of the world are fucked \o/

    And so, we arrive at the main thrust of this post.
    What would you do in such a situation?
    Also: you should make a note of your characteristics in the following categories.

    EDIT: These are just examples, don't answer em litterally -_-

    Physical - How good are you with your body and its capabilities and qualities.
    Do you wear baggy clothes or tight fitting clothes, and likely to be more important unless you come into a close combat situation, do your normal clothes have the pockets?
    Is your hair short, long, shaved, or bald?
    Are your muscles fast twitch or slow twitch? [Sprinter, Cross country, burst strength, high stamina]
    Are you intrisically aware of the dimensions of your body, with good coordination?
    Is your flexibility high?

    Skills - DO YOU HAVE THEM :O
    Can you pick locks?
    Are you handy with firearms, know the difference between bullets and shells, can disassemble and clean a firearm, etc.
    Are you skilled with edged or blunt melee weapons?
    Do you know the difference between a hummer that gets 5 miles a gallon, a jeep that gets 20, a hybrid air vehicle that gets 100, or an electrical car? [jury rigged nuclear reactor ftw]
    Are you mechanically inclined?
    A woodsman?
    Can you design and build structures with enough manpower and materials?
    etc.

    Knowledge - Perhaps the most important attribute, do you know shit?
    Can you read a manual on mechanics and make your own battery.
    Could you rapidly learn basic repair works from a crippled mechanic or assist him?
    Can you build improvised weapons from materials at hand, know the basic compositions of everday materials and what does and does not happen when you combine them? [I.e. bleach and ammonia forming Hydrazine]
    Do you know the layout of your city, surrounding areas, how to rapidly barricade a given amount of area, etc.


    And so: Discuss how well you would do if you were to find yourself in a realistic zombie scenario. [You would likely have some forewarning, perhaps a day or two of outbreak reports etc. and be in your usual environment, not out in the asscrack of nowhere]
    If it's feasible in real life in an emergency situation, you can get away with it.
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    Methinks a real-world "zombie infestation" would look like something out of 28 Days Later. I'm going to assume that governments are non-existent in this scenario, a la HSotD.

    Physical - My normal attire is quite casual: jeans, t-shirt, sweater, chuck taylors. Not exactly clothing I can run in (or carry much with, for that matter), so if all Hell breaks loose with no prior warning, I wouldn't be in such a good position, clothing wise. With warning, however, I'd probably wear hiking boots, cargoes, and a hoodie. Pockets to carry stuff in, and the hiking boots would make walking around a whole lot easier.

    Is your hair short, long, shaved, or bald? I keep my hair fairly short, and I should think having someone else (I'm assuming I'm not the sole survivor) cut it for me shouldn't pose that big of a problem. After all, it's a disaster, so style wouldn't matter.

    Are your muscles fast twitch or slow twitch? No idea, actually. I exercise on a fairly regular basis, but I am by no means a particularly fast runner, nor do I have great endurance.

    Are you intrisically aware of the dimensions of your body, with good coordination? Average, I'd say. I've decent coordination, but I don't see how being aware of the dimensions of my body would help in this situation.

    Is your flexibility high? Fairly. I used to play goalie in hockey, after all.

    Skills - DO YOU HAVE THEM :O

    Can you pick locks? No. But I figure if I had a shotgun I wouldn't need one.

    Are you handy with firearms, know the difference between bullets and shells, can disassemble and clean a firearm, etc. I've shot airguns at fairs and I'm actually a fairly good shot. Better than my friend, who's actually an army medic (but then again, I live in Canada). But most of the targets were stationary and only one was a moving one, so I wouldn't know how I'd fare with a revolver/bolt-action against multiple moving targets. I've never shot nor handled a real gun before. Living in Canada, getting my hands on a gun and ammunition would also be a significant problem. Gun shops are hard to come by (I don't even know where the nearest one is), so I'd have to get them off dead cops or something.

    Are you skilled with edged or blunt melee weapons? I don't think this could be accurately measured, unless you're a fencer or practice kendo or something. But I'm sure if you put a baseball bat or a hockey stick in anyone's hands, they'd know how to use it.

    Do you know the difference between a hummer that gets 5 miles a gallon, a jeep that gets 20, a hybrid air vehicle that gets 100, or an electrical car? [jury rigged nuclear reactor ftw] I don't actually know how to drive. But my plan of action doesn't require much driving so this is really a non-issue.

    Are you mechanically inclined? No, I'm pretty much useless in this respect.

    A woodsman? If by this you mean "able to survive outdoors"...then yes. I hike quite regularly so I've got all the essentials. I ought to be able to survive in the wilderness, if worse comes to worse.

    Can you design and build structures with enough manpower and materials?
    etc.
    See the part about being mechanically inclined.

    Knowledge - Perhaps the most important attribute, do you know shit?

    Can you read a manual on mechanics and make your own battery.
    Could you rapidly learn basic repair works from a crippled mechanic or assist him?
    Can you build improvised weapons from materials at hand, know the basic compositions of everday materials and what does and does not happen when you combine them? [I.e. bleach and ammonia forming Hydrazine]

    No to all of them. I'm not particularly mechanically gifted, and as for the latter, I doubt most people my age would.

    Do you know the layout of your city, surrounding areas, how to rapidly barricade a given amount of area, etc.
    I do know my city and it's surrounding areas fairly well. As for barricading...I'm thinking either a mall or a supermarket or a farm. Which leads in to the next part.

    My plan, in the event of a zombie disaster, would be to get the hell out of the city as fast as possible. Assuming there is prior warning (iirc, in both 28 Days Later and I Am Legend, there was warning; however, both movies took place in areas that were difficult to evacuate), I'll pack maybe a week's worth of food and water (in cans and 4L milk jugs) and some basic necessities (knife, flashlight, batteries, AM/FM radio, water bottle, first aid kit, etc.) as well as extra gas and head for the boonies in my parents' SUV (I'm not going to calculate in my family here, it'll just complicate matters). FYI, I live near Vancouver. Driving to the interior of BC shouldn't be that big of a deal, seeing as there are several main highways leading out of my city. I'd head for one of the less-populated towns, and once there, barricade a farmhouse or whatever and stay there until the zombies die off. According to 28 Days Later this should take about a month. After that, I may head back to the city to see if there are any survivors.

    I've also been thinking. Assuming everyone follows my previous plan and flees from the city, wouldn't a well-stocked apartment building be an ideal place of refuge? After all, zombies would have little to no intelligence and shouldn't be able to open doors (they'd go through them). And they wouldn't be able to "evolve" (from Stephen King's Cell) in time because in real life, they'd die from hunger before that happens. So if one stocks enough cans and water to last until the zombies die, an apartment building would be all but impenetrable (elevators won't work; if they do, they can be easily blocked, and zombies wouldn't know how to use them anyhow).

    The above is basically a culmination of my thoughts after watching/reading 28 Days Later, Cell, and HSotD. Looking forward to everyone else's thoughts.

    p.s. that was probably my longest post in ST, ever. haha.

    //edit: post #2666...how ironic.


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    The aware of body dimensions was basically indicating that if your trying to move stealthily through a room filled with crap, you won't accidently knock off that precariously balanced metal pan with your elbow - alerting the zombies around you.

    Most of those weren't actually questions I was specifically looking for a reply, just examples of qualities.[especially the lock pick one, for I agree, shotgun > lock] It would be pretty hard to make a comprehensive list that isn't as long as the zombie survival guide.

    I'd rather have you point out your own strengths, and if you want, acknowledge any areas where you know your weak at.

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    I'm gonna enjoy this post.

    What to wear: My regular clothes. Probably drive to the mall and raid the hell out of it, steal clothes food, supplies everything. Next stop is probably my local police station to aquire bullet proof vests, holsters, all that crap. I'd probably cut up the kevlar in the vests and weave it into the clothes that I wear for added protection. I'm a pretty good with needles & thread, get me some kevlar thread from the hardware store and I'm good. Most of my clothes have plenty of pockets and if they don't its not hard to make them.


    What to take: My first stop would be the police station. Guns. Stealing lots of guns. There are several police stations nearby to my house so I should be able to grab a decent amount. I wouldn't stay at my house because its too far away from a large quantity of supplies. I'd take the hand-axe from my basement along with a couple other tools, probably a screwdriver and a hammer. Other things like a butcher knife, a large non-serrated knife are givens until I can find a nice strong survival knife. Rope, a radio, all that other common sense crap is also a given.

    I'd be heading for lower Manhattan assuming it was all post apocalyptic and whatnot. Second stop is probably Chinatown to get more guns and ammo from all the shops down there, stock up on food and whatnot. Maybe even grab one of those fake swords just for fun.

    Where to go: I'd probably head to one of those new green apartment towers that have solar power and whatnot. I think it would be easy to guard one elevator and the height would provide its own security. I know alot of buildings that would be pretty safe and are relatively self sufficient.

    The Physical Factor: I personally don't know what to gauge myself against. I think I have an average speed and average endurance. I'm not trained with weapons or anything but I do think I could learn quickly and become a decent shot.

    Meh I'm tired I might add more later.


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    I think life would be much harder without electricity...
    If there are zombie's all over the place here I'd stay at home (after I stock up), since house here are made with cement/concrete/iron whatever. (and the doors/windows re enforced with iron bars) So I'd just stay there with a year's supply of food and wait for the zombie's to starve.

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    Just like last month, i was speaking with a co-worker and she was saying that she has a plan figured out if ever a zombie day would come. She asked me if i had a plan and i told her "no, i'd just let the zombies eat me. It was meant to be if zombie day did come."

    but if i truly had the intentions to survive then...

    Physical - I wear normal sized clothing. Not too baggy, but not too tight. Baggy clothes are nuisances when you have to do things (especially like run) and quite frankly tight clothing is uncomfortable. I'm quite familiar with my body and it's limitations, but given the situation, things will be forced to change. I would have to adapt, and acquire new skills, etc.

    Skills/Knowledge - Let's see....i can shoot firearms, but no i can not dismember them and clean them internally. Vehicles, I know more than your basics, but not a mechanic in the field. As for engineering, not really. I'm more than glad to help out and learning has always been a strong suit for me. I learn/catch on rather quickly and can apply those skills/knowledge quickly. To throw myself on a spectrum 1-10 (1 being useless, 10 being vastly important) i'd rate myself a 7-8.

    If it were to happen too out of no where. Yeah, i'm sure there would be news everywhere about it. So we would be given fair warning, 2 or 3 days. But truthfully given only that much time, no one at least in my opinion would be ready. There would he hell prior to the zombie infection, with mass panicking. Everyone would be fighting over what food supplies and safety locations, firearms, and almost everything else. Given all that, i find myseld unprepared...hahah.

    they're so many other things to put into consideration as well. Like how will the outbreak affect animal life, plant life, and our water? Given the urge to feed, how well will the zombies adapt to human survival strategies? How long would the human body last for the zombies? A possibility of the virus mutating is also plausible.


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    I'll probably wear something warm, you never know when you get the next chance for some warm clothers, without stealing it from stores. But since its a zombie infection, stores are probably packed with zombies, eating the dead. So, its jeans, good shoes for running. Doubt I will be sneaking around so much when almost everybody around is a zombie, so it probably be most running from cover to cover. got short hair, so no sweaty hair in my eyes. (for at least a couple of months =/ )

    My Physical is a bit above avarage, my work is Physical work, so I exercise my arms there. Dont run very fast, but can keep goin for a long distance. Which will come in handy, or then again. Can zombies become tired from running? probably not...

    The first stuff I'll be stealing/taking is some weapons. Knifes, possibly a bat. dont think I'll be comming near any guns, since the police probably have taken all to make a last stand against the zombies. A hammer will be my fav. weapon, eazy to swing, makes alot of damege on the skull. Food would be next, some quick food, but probably also some cans, since they dont rot so fast.

    My skils are limited, dont know who to fire guns, only seen it in movies, but it shouldnt be that hard.

    The most difficult part is to find out where to go. I mean, we all live in places with hundreds of thousands/millions of people. So if like 95% of them is a zombie, its hard not to run into a few of them. I'll probably be heading some place high, hotel, watertower, some place where I can see what/where I am and think of a plan if the zombies find me.

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    Will the zombies attack each other... I don't think they'd be smart enough to differentiate between themselves lol

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    Well, if they know the difference between a tree and a humen being, they should be able to see who's food and not.

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    Why don't they eat each other? If they're starving, there's another living thing right there in front of them..

    EDIT; holy poop I DID NOT do all that must of been a bug or something so do NOT ban, just delete them all please..

 

 
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