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    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    sounds like you're advocating a brave new world there, steal
    How exactly?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    I come from this strange real world. I know it's rare to hear tales from it and all, so I'll share one with you. A great deal of people have romantic and sexual relationships without the knowledge of their families. Now, third graders, or 9-10 year olds are a bit young for dating in my opinion; but that's just my entire point, it's an opinion. I'm perfectly cool with two 13 year olds using birth control and having sex in secret - as long as I'm not held accountable for knowing or allowing it.
    I was referring to dating not sexual acts. I would say 18 for sexual acts just cause then they would be held accountable for their actions more so than a 15 year old. If my 15 year old had sex then I would still have to care for him and maybe his child till he was 18 at least. But if he was 18 and he had sex then he can go get a job and take care of himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    This is going to be a long one, so stay with me here. I saw this being discussing on Digg.com and decided to check and see if we had this topic already, and I didn't see an instance of an entire topic on it, so I made an all encompassing one to make up for it.

    NOTE: I want your responses to be based on your own ethical, moral, and personal judgment, not that of your country, reputation, or religion specifically.


    This article I'll be quoting was taken from: CanadianCRC: Women Who Sexually Abuse Children and Teens
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    First of all, what is everyone's take on the standards in which a "Sexual predator" is defined? What is the age range for it? Is consensual sex actually an assault when the "illegal" person was seriously pursuing the encounter?

    Second of all, is it a masculine thing to want to have sexual relations with younger persons?




    Third of all, does our society actually give a degree of amnesty towards women who are not part of any public institutions?



    Fourth of all, what is your take on the idea of Tracey's Laws? When a person one year under the age of consent has sexual relations with a person only one year above that age, it is considered the same as if the latter person were of any age above that of consent; therefore, they are registered as sex offenders and have to deal with the consequences.


    Finally, what is your take on human sexuality in relation to age and gender? At what age do you think sexuality start to be "all right" to express to another human being of similar age? Does gender matter to you in this scenario?
    Bull’s eye.

    This is indeed an interesting issue, why women that sexually assault a boy get lighter to no punishment and men get send to jail in with they are likely to get owned by his jail mates

    Is very hard to give a simple answer to this question, I guess is because society doesn’t think a boy suffers when they have sex with an older women and only if the sex was very forced the issue may carry on, on the other side a girl will always suffer in her first time >_> and …. Crap I have to go… To be continue
    DEAD TO THE RETARDS!!!
    DEAD TO THE FANBOYS!!!
    DEAD TO THE WERESHEEP!!!

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    @Terasiel

    i can't speak for everyone since i don't regularly talk about things like this with friends, but that's what happened with me and a few others. and judging from how people typically turn rebellious when they hit the teens, it wouldn't be too far a stretch to say it applies for everyone.

    i suppose you're development cycle is contrary to this then, since you're opposing this theory ?

    as for marriage, i think it's more to do with the "forever together" part, though maybe that's just me being naive about things.

    @Steal

    ah, you're advocation of young people experimenting with sex freely just reminded me of "Brave New World", that's all. no other reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    @Steal

    ah, you're advocation of young people experimenting with sex freely just reminded me of "Brave New World", that's all. no other reason.
    They weren't already? The motto of the 2000s is "DP is the new P"... it certainly isn't the veterans experimenting in our culture.


    I'd like to die with the songs I love stuck in my head. I hope to make the most of these hollow bones we become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    @Terasiel

    i can't speak for everyone since i don't regularly talk about things like this with friends, but that's what happened with me and a few others. and judging from how people typically turn rebellious when they hit the teens, it wouldn't be too far a stretch to say it applies for everyone.

    i suppose you're development cycle is contrary to this then, since you're opposing this theory ?
    I'd would have to say yes, it was different for me. In my case a few friends of my own, as well as myself, had memories of understanding sexuality, having a sense of manners, and even contemplating basic "why am I here?" philosophy by the age of ten.

    Anyway, by the time I was fourteen I understood concepts of maturity my peers from school did not; such showing respect to authority whether or not you agree with them and the basic decency of opposing opinions being alright in the realm of conjecture. So yeah, I'm a bit biased towards the idea that kids can handle themselves when the parents, or at least their environment in general, leads them to understand responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    You're perfectly entitled to your opinions; but just to throw a countering standard out there: I would never consent to marriage or defend it's current form's place in society. Marriage is a legal binding socio-economic agreement between two parties, usually of different genders, agreeing to be put into a situation in which they are given a different scheme of laws and social standards to benefit from and abide by. First and foremost that isn't a religious thing, and it isn't even entirely universal thing. There are those who refuse to get married and continue to live and support each other without having been legally bound to.
    Quote Originally Posted by neruke
    So what is marriage for?
    Its a nice thing ok...
    Yeah, but that's not fair. There are still people in this world who savour the sanctity of marraige for what it was originally intended. The "save sex for marraige" people tend to be of that ilk. So that makes it a perfectly valid reason. Doesn't mean that they'll never do anything bad, and of course rape is still possible, but still, alot of the time, it does work for people who want it to.

    Well let me rephrase the question for you, specifically: What's something that falls within your "almost grey, but still wrong" range of sexual conduct? (how about an i.e. - 12 year olds having sex, a fifty year old and an eighteen year old doing the same, raping a prostitute who was just coming back from a "job," etc...)
    I'm glad to see most people are coming up the same on these...

    12 yos having sex - I'd be against it in the first place, just because I can't imagine they have enough knowledge or appreciate the reality enough of what they're doing and the consequences it could create. I'd especially feel this way if it was my daughter as opposed to my son - the idea of my 12 yo daughter out there sleeping around her classmates simply horrifies me.

    50/18 - Well, I find it personally a little distasteful, but fuck it, they're both old enough to know what they're doing and take the consequences.

    Prostitute Rape - rape. No excuse.

    I was actually wanting someone to say that kind of thing; if they aren't reported - then who the hell keeps up with the fact they were brought up? That wouldn't' seem to be a very easy thing to measure; nor would it be very accurate.

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    @Steal, i meant...

    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    We are born sexual beings, and as soon as we can control ourselves (18 - 36 months?) and we gain a social sense (3 - 5 years?) and start making friends of the same or opposite sex we start experimenting.
    unless you're telling me that kindergarten-ers are having sex, currently =P i haven't talked to any in the past... decade or so, so you may know better than me. actually, come to think of it, my sister did tell me about this kindergarten-er that already knew how to masturbate (apparently someone taught her she was supposed to rub herself o_O)

    oh, and while looking through your quote,

    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    No one will admit it but we are attracted to youth...
    i don't believe that it's all-pervasive. even in anonymous boards like 4-chan, there are a sizable chunk of people that think it's disgusting. i mean, c'mon, what sort of reputation/honour/pride/etc would you be defending as an anon ? and, i don't know about your girl friends, but quite a few of mine don't like dating younger people - they look down on them as immature and kids, and would rather go for older.

    @terasiel

    maybe you're "gifted" then =P i know there is a small percent of population that comes with independant-decision making and advanced thinking skills, as soon as they're self-aware. but, even you admitted in your post (about your peers), this is the exception to the rule. my point is still valid =)

    @sherman

    nothing else to add, but the fact that i agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    12 yos having sex - I'd be against it in the first place, just because I can't imagine they have enough knowledge or appreciate the reality enough of what they're doing and the consequences it could create. I'd especially feel this way if it was my daughter as opposed to my son - the idea of my 12 yo daughter out there sleeping around her classmates simply horrifies me.
    I think SD said once:
    Teach my sons: Sex is a good thing
    Teach my daughters: Sex is a bad thing


    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    i don't believe that it's all-pervasive. even in anonymous boards like 4-chan, there are a sizable chunk of people that think it's disgusting. i mean, c'mon, what sort of reputation/honour/pride/etc would you be defending as an anon ? and, i don't know about your girl friends, but quite a few of mine don't like dating younger people - they look down on them as immature and kids, and would rather go for older.
    Its just natural that we find youth attractive.
    Its nothing to deny, its just natural.

    Some women find older man attractive altough, since older men = higher rank = higher chance for children of the women to survive.
    Everything plain natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echoblaze View Post
    unless you're telling me that kindergarten-ers are having sex, currently =P i haven't talked to any in the past... decade or so, so you may know better than me. actually, come to think of it, my sister did tell me about this kindergarten-er that already knew how to masturbate (apparently someone taught her she was supposed to rub herself o_O)
    I can only speak for myself but I was in Pre K talking about sex with girls and sleeping in the same cot because it felt good. Instead of napping we're hugging each other giggling. No sex, no concept of pregnancy, just kids who knew it was good to be together.

    i don't believe that it's all-pervasive. even in anonymous boards like 4-chan, there are a sizable chunk of people that think it's disgusting. i mean, c'mon, what sort of reputation/honour/pride/etc would you be defending as an anon ? and, i don't know about your girl friends, but quite a few of mine don't like dating younger people - they look down on them as immature and kids, and would rather go for older.
    I didn't say children I said youth. There are only two or three stages - Youth, Middle Age, Old Age.

    Quote Originally Posted by neruke View Post
    I think SD said once:
    Teach my sons: Sex is a good thing
    Teach my daughters: Sex is a bad thing
    You'll have to look that up because I'd never say that, I might say the opposite if they're old enough but I'd never say that.


    I'd like to die with the songs I love stuck in my head. I hope to make the most of these hollow bones we become.
    I raise a toast to the the souls that sang all along. I've been gathering friends to just to make some sounds,
    before the ship goes down, I've been making amends by making the rounds before the whole world ends


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