^very well thought
Its like this, can you confirm your own existent without somebody else?Can you confirn that you are in the real reality but not a dream?Can you confirm the reality yourself? You confirm somebody else or something else existent. And somebody else will confirm your existent. Its a human believe system that confirm existent. Now tell me, do I exist or I am only a bot in this net world?Which one do you believe in? I can try to sway you into believing me or I may not be able to. Its all fall down to your choices. Human cannot change other human soul,if you believe there is one.
Existent is an enigma. Its there but its not. Its real but at the same time it is not. I cannot answer what is existent other that I believe something is exist. Death is exist and yet it is not. You cannot be alive and dead at the same time.
War is example of enigma. Peace is also an enigma. Life is enigma. Its your choice to choose what is real and what is not.
Life is almost binary, its either 1 or 0. Confirm or not. Yes or no. Yet life have one thing that binary don't have. Paradox.
For those who believe there is God, only Him can tell the exact answer. For those who not, what do you believe in?
And of course,for me though, I take life as a story. I like collecting other people story and getting into their shoes. Do not take life so d*** seriously. You will never figure it out anyway. Might as well go with the flow and adjust when needed.
well, we can't ever be 100% sure that we're not living in a Matrix-like world (a virtual reality world, where our actual bodies are tied to machines - for those that haven't seen the Matrix). therefore we can't "confirm" that someone/something else exist.
we *can* confirm that ourselves exist - maybe we aren't how we appear to be, but since we're thinking, we must be existing *somewhere* or *somehow*.
as for life, i like to think of it as a network of roads - we have a bunch of choices, but not *all* choices: for instance, a poor person can't simply *choose* to live as a rich person. from what you're saying, you believe that philosophy (and thinking of these answerless questions) is inherently pointless then ? that was my original question for this thread, lol
^"nothing" is pointless, everything that happen have its own reason to be happening. There is no such thing as coincidence in this world. Philosophy is man way to express their humanity.
I think the matrix have ask almost every able question that been asked here. Choices, reality, death, existent. Most of all, what is to be a human being.
Unfortunately,I can't agree with we can confirm our own existent. Let me take away your memory, your logic and your sense.
Memory is created by interaction with an entity. Logic is also interaction of an entity. Let put myself into a world where is only nobody but me. I don't know what I am,who I am, using self "logic" that I do not know whether its true or not. We learn about logic from interaction and confirming with other entity.
Then,after some time, I accept I am something, but what?What am I? Why I am here?What is my origin?. Unfortunately, I do not have time to answer that question with my limited lifespan as a human. I will never know the "nearest" truth without intervention and will not know the "exact" truth myself even with intervention. Meh, life is like manga, its like a book with a compendium of moments. Fill that book up with enough moment, voila, we got a person. Even death has its own moment.
about choosing, our fate cannot be changed, but our destiny can be changed. How you do it depend on your situation and how you handle that situation.For me, God will not change my destiny unless I am willing to change my own destiny myself.
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I'm not going to act like I know much about philosophy. But the way that I understand it is that there are different fields of philosophy such as: ethics, metaphysics, epistemology, and logic.
To be completely honest I'm most comfortable in symbolic logic because it's pretty much language math.
In the matter of ethics I'm an ethical relativists which pisses a ton of people off, most of the time because I don't give a shit.
Epistemology is a really interesting thing that I haven't yet completely grasped. To think in the manner of what do people believe and is it true, but then I always wonder are there some things that just because we believe them they become true?
Anyway, can we really talk about Philosophy with out talking about philosophers?
does it matter? seriously....
whether one is a dream or 'real'... our existence is limited to us alone...even if you are nothing more than a dream, live out your existence and fade, it's not like there is a choice in the matter...
someone got any concrete answers, i'd like to know....
until then, i don't know....
The Utilitarian’s, the group of thought that believes that you should cause the greatest amount of good possible, that happiness and pleasure is the ultimate goal and that the consequences to archive these ends do not matter. This school of thought was founded by John Steward Mill; Utilitarian’s like to build thought experiments I'll dub as "Pleasure Machines" these machines are things that you can hook up to and feel pure pleasure, and to me it seems like the idea is eventually to just be permanently attached and you win, you've achieved "happiness." Now before I loose everyone completely, utilitarian’s also have practical applications, for example they have a tendency to think that making a "structure" (and by structure I mean social structure such as government, etc...) simpler and more specific is better for all of society, and that it will help cause unity... and those other happy fuzzy feelings.
Not to be dense in realm of philosophy, but I'd actually say that humanity is culturally defined. I also say these because first not everyone will define what is human the same why, or even how one becomes human though the same process. Many cultures don't actually consider children to be human, mostly due to high child mortality rates and the fact that kids are as Nisa put it "with out sense." If we even reflect into our own culture we define humanity differently then say Brazil, that in the United States we place personhood at the moment of conception, and that generally we solidify that concept at the first sight and photograph of the sonogram.
Second, individualism isn’t always an important part of existence or ones ability to continue on or last beyond existence. As westerners or people who are well established in western thought we put a great deal of stock into “being remembered for all of eternity.” When we think in this way of course your memory will end the moment of death. However, other people focuses on simply having children and believing that by this they will continue on even though death, because there children will have children, etc, so that with in them a part of you will continue on though out time. This is bested expressed though the idea of “lineal decent” when it is only important that the lineal is preserved people pass and go with time, but the lineage will remain for all time. In some cases the lineage will even have fail safes so for example, if there are no male heirs from the head then one of the females will become “masculine” and take a wife or there lineage will adopt a son, etc.
Now, besides all these basic cultural aspects of existence, the question remains what is existence. I’d say that at its base my existence is based on my ability to be a rational being. Now above me someone put up the question if I lose my ability to rationalize and my ego would I no longer exist. Form that I’d say that that ‘ego’ or ‘self’ doesn’t exist any longer, but if the ability to rationalize still exist then there is potential for a new ‘ego’ to emerge.
I also don’t think it’s important to prove reality. We are part of this reality, best do with it the best that we can.
Its tiring to listen to those thoughts of humans over and over...
You may think that you can think of something, but you can't.
Atm we are limited, but time will change that fact eventually.
Originally Posted by StealDragon
Originally Posted by StealDragon
Sometimes its refreshing to see light at the end of the tunnel.
Originally Posted by StealDragon
Maybe when enough human develop this view for the world we can evolve.
I don't even want to talk about how that sentence doesn't really make sense.
Originally Posted by neruke
there's a school of thought that goes "actions are justified by emotions", so if ethics were relative, then these people would be justified in hurting others because they felt like it ? (for instance, if they were angry or such).
hm, as for the ability-to-rationalize = existence, does this mean insane/disabled/schizophrenic/alzheimic people do not exist anymore ? would it be alright to put them out of their misery ?
it's impossible to know everything with 100% certainty of course - i don't think this is a problem that time can solve.
but here's my theory - people should think about these sort of things to flesh out their values and beliefs. it's part of knowing really knowing who you are, and personally, i feel that that's very important.
as for religion, the more i think about it - the less i feel that it contributes positively to a person's mental development. i mean, the very basis of religion is to just believe in what we're told. i too hope that one day in the far future, religions will be considered myths.
... though, i disagree with steal when he lumps buddhism with the rest. out of all the religions i studied, buddhism seems to be the most reasonable. when was the last time you heard of buddhist's committing genocide, going on crusades or flying into buildings ?