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    Well to be blunt, I'm in Networking, and because colleges are designed by strange people with these other-worldly standards, one of which is a professor of mine whom also serves as a program(major) course planner, who all seems to think that math is needed for anything except purely art or music based careers.

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    Well, I agree with your teachers : there is no point in trying to become a programmer if you can't even count correctly, especially in networking where you will probably program complex algorithms in low level languages :P

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    Unless you misread my posts where I said "Networking" then I'm afraid you're probably mistaken about my need for math. There are two different branches of computer science - Programming and Networking. In other words: One to make the systems and all that's on them, and the other to use them.

    My job options almost entirely exclude even the idea of programming in Internet Oriented languages; despite the fact that I'm pretty damn good at C++, I'm not about to flip burgers or dig ditches just because of a learning block on math.
    Last edited by Terasiel; 02-02-2008 at 05:19 PM.

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    I agree completely.
    The world is being dumbed down far too much. Especially tv etc.
    Speaking of, anyone see the movie Idiocracy? Funny and terrifying (in that it could so happen)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaom View Post
    Wait, what is this nonsense. You have to convert to decimals? I find fractions much easier to work with than decimals, to be honest - they're way easier to understand and manipulate, aren't they? Not to mention more accurate... 1/3 is precise. 0.3333333... well, I know which looks better to me. (Of course, not all fractions look as pretty as that, I'll admit.)


    Not really. Calculators only get you so far once you're at that level, since you tend to, you know, not use numbers in your problems as much. They're not going to get the degree if they don't know what they're doing.

    Teaching kids to use calculators is pointless, let them learn that on their own once they understand the mathematics - calculators aren't as useful at higher levels anyway.
    Funny.
    When calculating Coulombs, Ohms, Joules, and measuring AC Sinusoidal waves, I seem to use numbers. A lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    This isn't even logical or possible. Why get worked up over every stupid idea someone speaks aloud? He's probably tenured and will suffer no repercussions no matter the inanity he may spout. Meh. Ig 'im.
    To be completely honest? Because last night someone asked me where the serious Jakko went. And the answer? Topics have been so banal recently that there has been no point for seriousness. I am trying to add some actual meat-and-bones content back to Chit Chat, before it rots from its core.

    Quote Originally Posted by KyubiNoKitsune View Post
    You could round them, or use their descriptions, like sqrt(2).
    Which, as I highlighted in the article, is something he wants to do away with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    I gotta say it, and I'm seriously going to catch it for this:

    I'm in my fifth semester of college, one was spent at a different college/major, and I'm taking Math 102.

    If you count Pre-Algebra and Statistics as Algebra then during my entire life I've taken, counting this semester's class, ten whole algebra classes and still couldn't survive in Calculus to save my life. I come from a backwaters, rural Southern school with a very poor literacy rate and low graduation numbers.

    Note: In a non-"forum/chat" situation I'm actually considered a fairly good writer and I read heavily; but, I can't draw an accurate image without having as much as a week's time to bring it up to recognizable accuracy. I'm good at "detective-type" problems; but, not at math-related word problems.

    Try and figure that type out.
    I feel your pain, Terasiel. I also have switched from a college major involving little(well, actually "no") math, into a major involving a great deal. And I also freely admit that NC's education system has always ranked near the bottom of the barrel in comparison to other states, in a nation that ranks near the bottom of the barrel in comparison to other nations.

    When that happens, we must show our Southern determination and resolve, and kill the Yankee's show our true mettle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    Unless you misread my posts where I said "Networking" then I'm afraid you're probably mistaken about my need for math. There are two different branches of computer science - Programming and Networking. In other words: One to make the systems and all that's on them, and the other to use them.
    the two branches are more like... software (computer science) and hardware (computer engineering). when you say networking, i'm thinking network administration. unfortunately i'm not too familiar with the hardware side of computers, so i can't really say how much programming is needed during the actual job.

    but what i can say that, a deep understanding of calculus is not needed for computers - even if you're in it for software algorithms. maybe you could talk to the prof (or even appeal to the dean) to see if you could do something about it, especially since it's the only thing tripping you up.

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    Awesome. If this pushes through, 10 years from now kids enrolled in Calculus will be learning how to operate the program that does the calculus and not calculus itself. Awesome.

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    Unless you misread my posts where I said "Networking" then I'm afraid you're probably mistaken about my need for math. There are two different branches of computer science - Programming and Networking. In other words: One to make the systems and all that's on them, and the other to use them.

    My job options almost entirely exclude even the idea of programming in Internet Oriented languages; despite the fact that I'm pretty damn good at C++, I'm not about to flip burgers or dig ditches just because of a learning block on math.
    I totally empathize here, I USE computers, I make computers work, I don't BUILD or create them or their software. I got OUT of programming, stop making me take the math damnit XD

    Funny.
    When calculating Coulombs, Ohms, Joules, and measuring AC Sinusoidal waves, I seem to use numbers. A lot.
    You don't know what your talking about Jakko, those ARE BASIC math functions - and 'measuring' AC sinusoidal waves isn't even even math. M-E-A-S-U-R-I-N-G You use the program, or read a chart, you measure/jot down the results.... No calculation anywhere in there, stop trying to seem smart.

    I started University taking HONORS calculus, and that was the LAST class I used a calculator in. They specifically tell you not to bother bringing/buying one for later math classes - cause all it will do is confuse you and/or slow you down.

    The only reason to bring a calculator is if your working with really big numbers - although in classes, rather than the real world, they SHOULD work with smaller, more user-friendly numbers, so its easy to understand and show the work. If they're not, then yeah, calc it.

    And EVEN with all that ASIDE... If you rely on a calculator... what happens when your in a situation and you don't have a calculator and/or don't have time to go and get one? Your fucked, thats what.

    I feel your pain, Terasiel. I also have switched from a college major involving little(well, actually "no") math, into a major involving a great deal. And I also freely admit that NC's education system has always ranked near the bottom of the barrel in comparison to other states, in a nation that ranks near the bottom of the barrel in comparison to other nations.
    And you Southerners! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.

    I WENT TO SCHOOL IN WEST VIRGINIA, You have NO EXCUSE! North Carolina... (and just about everyone else and actually NC ranked 21st in the Country... not too shabby) ranked higher than us for education!

    P.S. Apparently I beat Kaom in posting the majority of this... sorry for spoiling your fun little lady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    Unless you misread my posts where I said "Networking" then I'm afraid you're probably mistaken about my need for math. There are two different branches of computer science - Programming and Networking. In other words: One to make the systems and all that's on them, and the other to use them.

    My job options almost entirely exclude even the idea of programming in Internet Oriented languages; despite the fact that I'm pretty damn good at C++, I'm not about to flip burgers or dig ditches just because of a learning block on math.
    My bad then, I assumed you were working on the software side

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    This is fucking idiocy.

    I'm a junior in high school currently enrolled in multivariable calc. Fractions have a very important place in numerous branches of mathematics, to eliminate them would simply be absurd. For example, who the hell wants to deal with decimals in another base? If I'm working with, say, base 14, there's no way in hell I would use decimals.

    Aside from that, eliminating the ability to calculate square roots and perform other mathematical operations involving large numbers by hand is just...inane. Being able to make fast mental calculations is invaluable in higher level math classes.

    This professor is an idiot.

 

 
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