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    Hmm lets see, never mentioned any whale but the humpback, again, your making it up as you go along...

    By animal stadards, yes, I said as much in my last post. However, we are still far more intelligent than any whale can hope to be.
    I highly doubt that whales are smarter, or even more intelligent, than humans. Do you have any studies that indicate that this may be the case?
    Do you have any proof we are? Should play by your own rules. Theres no studies proving it either way... and at least <I> said they <MAY> be smarter than us. You don't even give yourself that leeway.

    First you said that brain size does mean more capability. Then you said that the important thing is brain/body mass ratio. How am I supposed to know that you mean anything else than a linear causation?
    Nope, I said "if and" not that either of them was the only thing to consider.

    Your responding to statements that don't exist, and putting words in someone else' mouth isn't a very constructive post... I do hereby declare yours a useless post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martyr3810 View Post
    Hmm lets see, never mentioned any whale but the humpback, again, your making it up as you go along...
    The irony inherent in this comment is truly off the charts.

    Quote Originally Posted by martyr3810
    Do you have any proof we are? Should play by your own rules. Theres no studies proving it either way... and at least <I> said they <MAY> be smarter than us. You don't even give yourself that leeway.
    The only thing that you present here is a huge appeal to ignorance.

    As for proof that we're smarter, humans have developed stuff like mathematics, architecture, political systems, chemistry, literature and well, you name it. From what we can see, all those things require exceptional intelligence, and are therefore proof of our superiority. And in Darwinian terms, we have been subject to far greater evolutionary pressure to develop our intelligence than the whales have. A whale is huge and strong, and faces few predators. A man in small and quite weak, we need our intelligence to survive.

    But seriously, all this talk about whales maybe being as smart as we are is nothing but a poor attempt to avoid losing the debate by resorting to the ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by martyr3810
    Nope, I said "if and" not that either of them was the only thing to consider.

    Your responding to statements that don't exist, and putting words in someone else' mouth isn't a very constructive post...
    Really? Shall we review what you've said so far?

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    Brain size DOES mean more capability. Which is why rats can learn things like navigating mazes and stuff - but not more complex things. Whereas monkeys can learn more than rats and we can learn more than monkeys.
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    Also, as I recall, Whale's are quite smart - comparable to Dolphins in intelligence, their physiology is not exactly conducive to doing anything with it though. In fact, if I recall recent articles on it, Whale brains are found to be quite similar to Human brains. The important factor is brain mass to body mass (as a sizeable amount of your brain is there for nothing else but monitoring and controlling your body without conscious input).
    Boldings mine. It is obvious that you first claimed that brain size means more capability, and when I pointed out that this isn't always true, you went on and claimed that the ratio of brain and body mass is the important factor. And now you accuse me of putting words in your mouth? How is one supposed to interpret what you wrote in any other way?

    No, you wrote what you wrote, and that's what I responded to.

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    I do hereby declare yours a useless post.
    Yeah, I kinda noticed that. However, it seems as if the powers that be hold a different opinion.

    Also, from a purely personal point of view, I'd appreciate it if you tried to debate like civilized people. There really isn't any point in even trying to reason with you when all one gets in return is hostility and insults.

 

 
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