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    Default Pault Tibbits 1915-2007

    Here Probably THE most important man in WWII, some people insult him as a mass killer and disgrace to a peaceful nation, but in my opinion he's a hero, and probably one of the bravest men this world has ever known to have carried the burden.

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    Are you stupid or something?

    No really, I mean it. Are you?

    He's just an ordinary pilot. Not a hero. Nothing special. He dropped a bomb how he was ordered to do. During a war. Nothing else.
    He lived, he died, byebye.


    And now, gtfo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by neruke View Post
    Are you stupid or something?

    No really, I mean it. Are you?

    He's just an ordinary pilot. Not a hero. Nothing special. He dropped a bomb how he was ordered to do. During a war. Nothing else.
    He lived, he died, byebye.


    And now, gtfo...
    Are you stupid or something?

    No really, I mean it. Are you?

    He was aware that he was ordered to drop a bomb of indescribable power on a civilian population, knowing it would kill thousands. And he had to balance that against the knowledge that estimates said it would cost 1 million American lives, at least, to take Japan. Then he had to make a moral choice, whether to do it, or disobey orders. I doubt many have ever had to make so hard a decision.

    And now, gtfo...

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    ^ If someone told me to drop a nuke, I wouldn't. Probably would be harder for my country, but I couldn't get myself to kill innocent women/children/civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    Are you stupid or something?

    No really, I mean it. Are you?

    He was aware that he was ordered to drop a bomb of indescribable power on a civilian population, knowing it would kill thousands. And he had to balance that against the knowledge that estimates said it would cost 1 million American lives, at least, to take Japan. Then he had to make a moral choice, whether to do it, or disobey orders. I doubt many have ever had to make so hard a decision.

    And now, gtfo...
    Couldn't have said it better myself. Anyone with the fortitude to accept a mission that would, while simultaneously ending a horrific war, kill over 70,000 people would have to have an infinite amount of courage to know the damage he would cause and proceed with it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    Are you stupid or something?

    No really, I mean it. Are you?

    He was aware that he was ordered to drop a bomb of indescribable power on a civilian population, knowing it would kill thousands. And he had to balance that against the knowledge that estimates said it would cost 1 million American lives, at least, to take Japan. Then he had to make a moral choice, whether to do it, or disobey orders. I doubt many have ever had to make so hard a decision.

    And now, gtfo...
    If he hadnt done it, someone else had.
    So what?

    He had never ANY decision to make, because he couldnt have avoided this event from happening.

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    @Jakko, You're assuming two things; that he's actually weighed the two choices after careful consideration and the decision was based on his belief that using the bomb would save lives (or rather, result in a lesser net loss of lives when compared with the option of invading Japan), and that he's not replaceable and that what he did made him "one of the bravest men this world has ever known".

    From the article, I'll give him the first, there's not really any reason to assume ulterior motives, but that doesn't answer the second point, most people haven't been asked to decided on two options that would have both resulted in a large (though appreciably different) amounts of people dying (though the choice is still a false dichotomy).


    Veterans groups objected that it paid too much attention to Japan's suffering and too little to Japan's brutality during and before World War II,
    This part's definitely true though, not too wide spread publicly (that I know of), but the people who are into historical revision are pretty vocal and often in places of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neruke View Post
    If he hadnt done it, someone else had.
    So what?

    He had never ANY decision to make, because he couldnt have avoided this event from happening.
    You are seriously retarted. Your right, it could have been ANYONE, but that doesn't mean that it would have been any less of an extreme emotional and mental conflict for that person. Any man given the choice to kill thousands of people, many of which were innocent civilians, he has never met would have to be a monster not to understand the devastation he would be causing an entire nation.

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    Are you stupid or something?

    No really, I mean it. Are you?

    He's just an ordinary pilot. Not a hero. Nothing special. He dropped a bomb how he was ordered to do. And he had to balance that against the knowledge that estimates said it would cost 1 million American lives, at least, to take Japan. Then he had to make a moral choice, whether to do it, or disobey orders. I doubt many have ever had to make so hard a decision. When a couple of guys they were up to no good started makin' trouble in my neighbourhood; I got in one little fight and my mom got scared, and said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air." I whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare, but I thought, "Nah, forget it. Yo home to Bel-Air!". I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8, and I yelled to the cabby yo holmes smell ya later. Looked at my kingdom I was finally there, to sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-Air.

    And now, gtfo...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Obscuri View Post
    Then he had to make a moral choice, whether to do it, or disobey orders. I doubt many have ever had to make so hard a decision.
    What choice?

    1. Drop the bomb
    2. Disobey orders, someone else drops the bomb, loose job


    Im sure, many would have taken the 1st.
    Especially in war times.


    Hes not a hero... hes a fucking soldier, and every fucking soldier has to do his fucking job to serve his fucking nation.
    Understood? Good. Cause thats the world we had 60 years ago, and thats the world we live today.
    Moral decisions... my ass...
    Last edited by neruke; 11-01-2007 at 04:58 PM.

 

 
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