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    Default So, what y'all think about Watson?

    On one hand, what he said is obviously racist.
    On the other hand, as one of the most intelligent and respected genetic scientists around, if there is a a racial connection to genetics, he would be the one to know.
    On the other hand, he comes from a very racist generation, and could just be biased.
    On the other hand, if that is the case, how many other scientific "facts" is it possible are colored by bias?

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    Is this the guy who called black people stupid by birth?

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    He's the one that, along with your Crick, modeled DNA for the first time(you know, came up with the idea of the double helix), got the Nobel Prize. Spearheaded the effort to map the human genome. The, I mean the, authority on genetics. Who made a comment that there are genetic links between being black and having less intelligence.

    Quite befuddling.

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    @abaile : no, if I remember well he just said that africans are less intelligent in general, which doesn't mean they are all stupid.

    But to answer to jakko's last question, every scientific is biased, always, which is natural. The methods they use are not biased though, and they (must) try to be as unbiased as possible in their researches, but that's it

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    Still, it's wrong of him to say that the 'white' race is more inteligent then all the others. but I think he apoligised or something, and were surpriced of himself of saying such horrible words..

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    Well, he is going senile...

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    ^ Pretty much, he said a lot of other things too, like Jews being more intelligent because their population was culled during medieval Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko
    He's the one that, along with your Crick, modeled DNA for the first time(you know, came up with the idea of the double helix), got the Nobel Prize. Spearheaded the effort to map the human genome. The, I mean the, authority on genetics. Who made a comment that there are genetic links between being black and having less intelligence.

    Quite befuddling.
    No. Watson isn't the "authority" on genetics. Sure, he came up with an groundbraking theory, but to be frank, that was 50 years ago, and the field of genetics has advanced with leaps and bounds since that day. Nowadays there are many geneticists who are at least as knowledgable as Watson, and certainly a few who know more than he does.

    To make a comparison, Einstein was wrong about Quantum Mechanics, despite the fact that he published the most groundbreaking theory ever. This should be enough to show that even the best and brightest may not always be correct, but also that the truth will come out sooner or later.

    After all, the universe itself is the ultimate arbiter when it comes to natural science, and anybody who knows what he's doing can falsify an erraneous theory by empirical testing. And I have not seen any convincing study that shows that race has an direct influence on intelligence.

    And as for his comments overall, he's full of shit. It is absurd to generalize the intelligence of an entire continent in the first place, especially as Africa is one of the most genetically diverse continents in the world. I suspect that it's the old racist stereotype of all africans living in mud huts deep in the jungle that rears its ugly head once again.

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    @adonai : wouldn't that be called natural selection ? I guess it's a touchy subject, but in theory it's highly possible that the average intelligence isn't the same for every population on earth, as everything else. Of course it's only a generalization which is impossible to demonstrate accurately, but I'd like to hear if he has any facts to prove his point.

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    Ground breaking research doesn't always mean having the most authority... quite often the original idea is wrong, but some of the premises or an adaptation is made from the idea and built upon to a very large degree. MANY ppl worked on the Human genome. Do we know if they actually DID a comparative study?

 

 
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