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    This thread is a homage to Aikido and other fellow vets who have long disappeared.

    Martial Arts discussion thread.

    And so and so, to start this off, I'll briefly discuss the physics of one martial arts move common to several different styles.

    The spinning wheel kick is the single most forceful strike that can be done with the human body, as it concentrates the kinetic energy and rotational energy of the entire body into a tiny point, nearly the hardest point in the entire human body.

    Striking with the heel at any point on the most vulnerable part of the human body, the side, [if the fighters happen to be squared off] the wheel kick takes a relatively long amount of time to pull off, relatively in comparison to the actual speed of well timed full body attacks, for a skilled user can perform a kick in less than a tenth of a second, and striking at upwards of 150 mph.

    The force of this trauma is easily enough to send a hydrostatic shock wave reverberating through the body, not to mention shattering the impact point, be it the kidneys, skull, ribcage, knee, or hip.

    This is in fact one of the few movements the human body is capable of using to destroy something with brute force rather than finesse, as most martial arts moves are aimed at.

    The actual specifics of the move can vary from style to style, but its commonality is its devastating force, and surprising speed of execution, though it requires skill and control to properly perform.

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    My contribution:
    Once upon a time, the "Boxer Rebellion" occured. Martial Artists, that felt that, through training, they could stop a bullet.

    At that time, they faced firearms. Little more than a rigid pipe, with gas and heat on one end expelling a metal projectile. In this case, the .303 British Enfield round.

    At .311 inches in diameter, four ounce piece of lead travels at 2796 ft/s, with a energy of 2554 ft-lbf.

    Guns beat martial arts.

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    Not quite right.
    How can you draw your gun if your attacker is already at punch distance and kicks you death?

    Its one of the basic rules of selfdefence that you cant defend yourself with a gun against a knife attacker.
    You can try if for yourself. Just let someone dash at fullspeed into your direction and you try to pull a imaginary gun. I bet you lose.

    So guns only work on long distance, otherwise your screwed if your opponent is physically stronger than you.

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    There are also some variations of fighting with a gun, with hand to hand combat. So you're not needed to have great distance between yourself and the guy you're fighting, to fire your gun. Can't recall what the fighting style is called though :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by neruke View Post
    Not quite right.
    How can you draw your gun if your attacker is already at punch distance and kicks you death?

    Its one of the basic rules of selfdefence that you cant defend yourself with a gun against a knife attacker.
    You can try if for yourself. Just let someone dash at fullspeed into your direction and you try to pull a imaginary gun. I bet you lose.

    So guns only work on long distance, otherwise your screwed if your opponent is physically stronger than you.
    Ever heard of, say, a pistol? Automatic or revolver. Especially a revolver, quite quick and easy to use at close range. If someone was "rushing" at you with a knife, drawing and discharging a revolver is quite easy. You don't know much at all about guns, do you?

    There is a reason they say, "never bring a knife to a gunfight."

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    pssha.

    Let me tell you a story.

    Once upon a time, there was a concrete barrier. This barrier had many friends, and even some foot thick metal friends.

    These constructions were created by a creator who had heard of a device - a device that accelerated bullets using nothing but magnetic force.

    Thusly, a one kilogram tungsten rod was accelerated through a massive coil gun, housed in a massive warehouse, comparable in size to several football fields.

    The anvils did not survive the hammerfall rod travelling at 7kps, traveling so fast its bowshock ripped the atmosphere in front of it and heated its surrounding to thousands of celsius.

    It was later found lodged halfway through a hill several hundred feet in diameter.

    Gauss weapons beat chemical guns. And concrete. And steel. And hills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishman View Post
    pssha.

    Let me tell you a story.

    Once upon a time, there was a concrete barrier. This barrier had many friends, and even some foot thick metal friends.

    These constructions were created by a creator who had heard of a device - a device that accelerated bullets using nothing but magnetic force.

    Thusly, a one kilogram tungsten rod was accelerated through a massive coil gun, housed in a massive warehouse, comparable in size to several football fields.

    The anvils did not survive the hammerfall rod travelling at 7kps, traveling so fast its bowshock ripped the atmosphere in front of it and heated its surrounding to thousands of celsius.

    It was later found lodged halfway through a hill several hundred feet in diameter.

    Gauss weapons beat chemical guns. And concrete. And steel. And hills.
    And gauss weapons are, at the moment, imaginary. Real guns win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    You don't know much at all about guns, do you?

    There is a reason they say, "never bring a knife to a gunfight."
    They say it because you can deliver a certain kill if you have distance.
    If not, your dead.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYAXjKkLmJs

    Dont underestimated hand to hand combat or knife combat.
    Of course only if the user is trained... because every idiot can fire a gun, but it takes something to fight without.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neruke View Post
    They say it because you can deliver a certain kill if you have distance.
    If not, your dead.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYAXjKkLmJs

    Dont underestimated hand to hand combat or knife combat.
    Of course only if the user is trained... because every idiot can fire a gun, but it takes something to fight without.
    And that video starts with the people right next to each other. "Rushing," implies some distance between you and them. And if they were close, the person would already likely have the weapon drawn, you would only not have it drawn if you are at a distance. Afterall, how can you assume that someone has a knife out, but the person with the gun not have the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    Real guns win.
    Who cares? The thread is about martial arts, not about firearms being better to kill or defend yourself.

    I don't know how many threads about this i've seen, but theres ALWAYS someone that says "guns are better".


    The only thing i know about this topic is that box is supposed to be the one that has the most impact. Like 1000 kg. or something like that.
    Greetings earthlings.

 

 
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