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    Disorder wouldn't be correct. Hormones do control many of your impulsive attractions, but conditioning to culture (and other things) also affects your idea of attraction. And being homo doesn't impair any of your thinking abilities or reproductive abilities, so it shouldn't be labeled as a disorder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    Disorder wouldn't be correct. Hormones do control many of your impulsive attractions, but conditioning to culture (and other things) also affects your idea of attraction. And being homo doesn't impair any of your thinking abilities or reproductive abilities, so it shouldn't be labeled as a disorder.
    A disorder means a derangement of physical or mental health. An irregularity, a disturbance of the regular order. Something screwy. So, yes, in the way I am describing it, it would apply. Though it is my personal opinion, I need clarify again, it seems.

    Note, though, I think the idea of it having to do with hormone imbalances is #$%^ing stupid. On that note, I think most things people explain away as hormone imbalances is grossly overused. It's like snake oil in the 1900's. Have cancer? Over aggression? Under aggression? Incontinent? A sexual dynamo? Hormone imbalances.

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    I agree on the definition. Not on the derangement. But I do understand your explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    Actually, from what I have read that came from a 1993 study by Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute found that in 33 of 40 pairs of homosexual brothers, they had the same sequence in the Xq28 region of the X chromosome. Sounds great so far.

    Problem is, in 1995, that same Dean Hamer was investigated by the Office of Research Integrity at the Department of Health and Human Services, which reported that he had selectively reported his research and data. In other words, he cut out the research to fit in the box he wanted it from the beginning. That is not science, that is bias, agenda, and motive.


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    Well that really has nothing to do with my post, since I was referring to a study done by three researchers in 2000, where over 4,000 twins were taken from the Australian twins registry and tested.

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    over 4,000 twins were taken from the Australian twins registry and tested.
    So being a twin makes you more likely to be gay?

    Since you spend 9 months naked with another man on a closed space.. I guess it make sense..

    Glad I'm the only son then..
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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post
    So being a twin makes you more likely to be gay?

    Since you spend 9 months naked with another man on a closed space.. I guess it make sense..

    Glad I'm the only son then..
    I lol'd.

    Just on the slight chance that you actually weren't sure though, the whole point of testing twins is that in each case they are the same age, were brought up in the same environment, have been exposed to the same things. The only difference is that some twins are genetically identical (monozygotic, both developed from a single fertilised egg splitting in two), and some aren't (dizygotic, two separate eggs were fertilised). By comparing the two twins together it allows scientists to find out to what extent certain characteristics are caused by genetic or environmental factors.

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    well, for the twins tests to be somewhat accurate they should not have been brought up in the same environment as then you can't say if it's due to the environment or genetic reasons.

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    Well I was about to say that you'd want to eliminate all variable factors other than the genetics, but then after writing the post I realised that twins tests are actually quite different to normal experiments. For maximum effect you would want two people with the same genetic makeup but different environmental factors so that you could completely rule out environmental factors if both of them turned out to be gay. I'm no scientist, and their work was taken to be valid by the scientific journal it was published in, but I can see you have a point. Interesting...
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    Guys. Homosexuality is not a disorder. Its hard enough to classify on its own since it comes in so many forms (Kinsey Scale). Its an orientation. You're putting too rigid of terms on it. Its not like autism or something.


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