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    Is this a private school or a public school? If it were a public school, then this is against the law, the state and country have educational standards that each school must meet, and English is one of those standards.

    If this is a private school, then it's technically not against the law, but that doesn't make it any less asinine. As many of the posters already pointed out: this is a school in America where English is the (un)official language. To not teach English in this school would be severely disadvantaging the students. After all, all the standardized tests to measure scholastic aptitude are in English. Not only that, they test for English prowess. Without being educated in English, the students of said school would do horribly on college essays, entrance exams, exit exams, and aptitude tests, not to mention be handicapped in the real world outside of school.
    So, sure, they can go along with it, but it will be neither successful nor prudent.

    And even for the children of rich Arab diplomats who have no interest in doing anything in America, knowledge of the English language is still crucial. The official international languages of the world are English and French. Without backgrounds in either, these children won't be able to communicate with the international audience and guests their parents entertain.

    And also, in just about every country in the world, schools are teaching English as a secondary language. In some cases, this curriculum is mandatory. If other countries are mandating English education, isn't this all the more reason America (where English is the most prevalent language spoken) should?



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    I agree that they do have the rights to learn their own heritage and language first.

    They can teach them until 5th grade or something, and then introduce english as new class and start from there.

    They will have a good grasp of Arabic, and can fast get the english.
    One way or the other they will have daily contact with english.

    On brazilian comunity, most kids speak english AND portugese.
    But they can't read/write portuguese.. some can read but writing is off the question.
    If they had a portuguese school, they could learn to be fluent on both language at young age.

    I also hate this generalization of every arabic person/muslum/egypt to be terrorist. it pisses me off when I hear such comments on a bus, when a muslum enter, everyone go balistic thinking he have a bomb strapped..

    Nothing against them having a Arabic only school and frequenting a ESOL school in the afternoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post
    I agree that they do have the rights to learn their own heritage and language first.

    They can teach them until 5th grade or something, and then introduce english as new class and start from there.

    They will have a good grasp of Arabic, and can fast get the english.
    One way or the other they will have daily contact with english.

    On brazilian comunity, most kids speak english AND portugese.
    But they can't read/write portuguese.. some can read but writing is off the question.
    If they had a portuguese school, they could learn to be fluent on both language at young age.

    I also hate this generalization of every arabic person/muslum/egypt to be terrorist. it pisses me off when I hear such comments on a bus, when a muslum enter, everyone go balistic thinking he have a bomb strapped..

    Nothing against them having a Arabic only school and frequenting a ESOL school in the afternoon.
    You want this to happen in a school in America? This idea would be perfectly fine in their native countries, but this would never fly in America, the absolute culture-shock mindfuck experience would be too great by 5th grade. You have to integrate children into the indigenous culture as soon as possible to avoid social ineptness or disorders.



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    Why couldn't the schools just teach English as well as another language starting right from the beginning? That's how we do it in Canada. =P At any rate, I don't see why this just applies to English; if this was a school in some other country (um, say... France) and people wanted a school with another language (like Korean? These are random, by the way), I'd be saying the same thing. If you want to learn a language and only that language, find the country where that is the primary language (or at least spoken enough to be official).

    And somehow, I think it's stupid to say that all the problems with the school are about terrorism. That's just moronic. The issue should be with the fact that English won't be taught, not about the fact that it's Arabic specifically.
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    Teaching only Arabic would further isolate the children, anyway. When people e isolated and not integrated into their surroundings, they tend to become troublemakers, So if anything, teaching Arabic would be more terrorism prone. (not saying that this school would spawn future terrorists, of course)



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    But they essencialy live on a english environment. Its not like they would have been just dropped off in america soon they get out of school..

    I don't know how complex is Arabic language.. maybe trying to introduce english so early could be hard for the kid. But that is discussing the teaching methods of the school then the school itself.

    I see it as an option to any arabic person here, if he wishes to attend.. he does.
    There is no impact on us. Really I don't care if they only speak arabic or not.

    Its a choice, I find good for the people HAVE a choice..
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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post
    But they essencialy live on a english environment. Its not like they would have been just dropped off in america soon they get out of school..

    I don't know how complex is Arabic language.. maybe trying to introduce english so early could be hard for the kid. But that is discussing the teaching methods of the school then the school itself.

    I see it as an option to any arabic person here, if he wishes to attend.. he does.
    There is no impact on us. Really I don't care if they only speak arabic or not.

    Its a choice, I find good for the people HAVE a choice..
    Arabic is a fairly complicated language. English, however, is not. So tacking on English to the docket of curriculum would have little effect on quick-learning primary school children.
    And you would be surprised about how isolated students can be even if they live "on an english environment". Just take Catholic All-Girls Schools for example, many of the girls haven't communicated with any male outside of their teachers and immediate family and they develop some serious social issues. And not to mention, many of the girls turn lesbian.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoMunkeez View Post
    Arabic is a fairly complicated language. English, however, is not. So tacking on English to the docket of curriculum would have little effect on quick-learning primary school children.
    And you would be surprised about how isolated students can be even if they live "on an english environment". Just take Catholic All-Girls Schools for example, many of the girls haven't communicated with any male outside of their teachers and immediate family and they develop some serious social issues. And not to mention, many of the girls turn lesbian.
    BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sorry to rid you of your fantasies. But that's not true; it's a myth. Even though our schools are all girls we have interaction events with male schools(so many...quizes....twitch...and the dances......sweaty hands!), neighbours, cousins, brothers, fathers, etc. I agreed with almost everything you've said here but not that. Also, we teach Irish here with English from the moment we start school and it is the most failed subject around the country.

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    I didn't say it was true for all. I've some friends in Catholic All-Girls Schools, and they say this stuff really does happen.



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    DE and Mojo should reread my first post. >.>

    A. The school teaches English and the teachers teach half the classes in English.
    B. It is a public school.

    Its just like any other public school except its catered to Arabic speaking children.


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