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    Logically, this sort of behaviour isn't surprising at all. The christian people who did this are irrationally convinced that their deity would take offense because someone who believes in another deity is allowed to pray in the senate. They don't base it on evidence or logic, but are utterly convinced nonetheless.

    This is actually the most dangerous aspect of religion, the acceptance of something as proven fact without any evidence supporting it. You get hordes of people who all think that everyone else is wrong, and you can't reason them out of it because thay don't accept logic.

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    Doesn't the action of the three fools contradict what most branches of Christianity preach? That everyone can wash their sins away through prayer and good action.

    This incident is disturbing on so many levels, yet not a big surprise. And who are these people to deem who is 'wicked' and who is not? Isn't it 'God's' judgement to make that distinction?

    Its ironic that such dogmatic people make a stand against a 'nonbeliever' in a country that protects religious tolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    Doesn't the action of the three fools contradict what most branches of Christianity preach? That everyone can wash their sins away through prayer and good action.

    This incident is disturbing on so many levels, yet not a big surprise. And who are these people to deem who is 'wicked' and who is not? Isn't it 'God's' judgement to make that distinction?

    Its ironic that such dogmatic people make a stand against a 'nonbeliever' in a country that protects religious tolerance.
    Actually, neither of those statements are true.

    First, Christianity is unique in that it is a "grace" based salvation, instead of a works based. You do not need to do good, or pray in a certain way, to recieve salvation, but rather, because you are saved, you would want, need, to do "good."

    Second, the Bible explicitly states that not everyone will recieve salvation from praying. As John 14: 6,7 states:
    6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
    In other words, praying to Vishnu, or Allah(though Allah means "God," Christians consider him separate from the Christian and Hebrew God), or Sun Myung Moon, it will not matter, Christians believe you will only recieve salvation on believing in, and praying to, the Christian God.

    Note: I still am not touching this with a 10 foot pole, but clarifying, in my mind, is fine.

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    Those are the extreme chirstians. I myself am a pastor's kid. And doing something like that is wrong. In my point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    Actually, neither of those statements are true.

    First, Christianity is unique in that it is a "grace" based salvation, instead of a works based. You do not need to do good, or pray in a certain way, to recieve salvation, but rather, because you are saved, you would want, need, to do "good."

    Second, the Bible explicitly states that not everyone will recieve salvation from praying. As John 14: 6,7 states:

    In other words, praying to Vishnu, or Allah(though Allah means "God," Christians consider him separate from the Christian and Hebrew God), or Sun Myung Moon, it will not matter, Christians believe you will only recieve salvation on believing in, and praying to, the Christian God.

    Note: I still am not touching this with a 10 foot pole, but clarifying, in my mind, is fine.
    Ok good clarification on the first point (I forgot it). I already knew the second point.

    Another question: Do these three Christians have the right to damn someone else? Is a priest given that right? Or is it the Christian God's job? Who is given this right?

    Also, the morning invocation is obviously more of a political tradition than a religious practice at this point (with religious tolerance and all). The response is still outrageous, even if it does offend Christian preaching customs or whatever.

    Sorry if I sounded like an intolerant or ignorant slag before.
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    Well, Urameshi, as a Bible thumping Presbyterian(most consider us relatives of Puritans, as we empasize thought and study over emotion and feeling[though, as the Bible states that a man should be both heart and mind, we try to do a bit of both, but we aren't those stereotypical "fired up for Christ" people]), who is of the more conservative end of the spectrum(very conservative, predestination, literal interpretation of the Bible[unless it is, quite literally, a parable, and that is only when it states it is a parable], no women pastor's, homosexuality is a sin, the whole schebang), I think what those people are doing is completely wrong.

    You see, the more conservative you get in your Christianity, the more liberal you get in your life, which is what, I am afraid, most Christians and non-Christians fail to grasp. Early Christians were, pretty much, the ideal socialistic society. They shared all their property and wealth among themselves, gave free board to any that asked, etc. I try to emulate this example(though I always come up short, as I am an inherently sinful and selfish being), sharing what I have to others, giving up of myself. Those people should do the same. Though it is right that Christians should not be meek in their faith, they should also be gracious to others, showing their faith through their actions, which is what those people are failing to do.

    What those people are doing goes against all that Christianity teaches. Christianity teaches to think that the sin is wrong, but to accept the person. That is exactly what those people were not doing.


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    Crap. Got involved. Getting uninvolved now.

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    Jakko I'm very relieved you think that as well =D


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    Religious issues aside, the three protestors were simply being rude and obnoxious in interrupting a speaker during an invocation. They have a problem, protest before or after, but not during the invocation...at that point it's a done deal so show everyone you have a little class by sitting quietly.

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    What do you guys think about the comments that some people were making in the link thread? It's pretty shocking how many of these biggots there are and how ignorant they are. To some it up, to them hinduism=islam.

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    This is America not India. We are blessed by God not Vishnu!!!

    Comment by THE KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — July 12, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
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    THANK YOU!

    Run along to the sanctuaries in your own downtrodden sh*t hole countries you hindu/muslamoid/etc. bums.

    Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
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    The Mind of a Lefty:

    Christianity/judaism = bad
    America = bad
    The President of the USA = bad

    Islam/Hindu/Voodoo = Good!
    Iran = Good!
    Amonajihad = Good!

    Comment by PiP — July 12, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
    The can believe what they choose to believe in their own country.
    Comment by CT_V1 — July 12, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
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    This is America not the new republic of India. How would they feel if Christians chanted the Lords Prayer in their government sessions? I am for one tired of other cultures imposing their religion on American citizens. This country was founded on Christian principles and that’s they way it will stay. If they don’t like it then go back to India.

    Comment by will — July 13, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
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    The Buddist have a right to lead our congress in an eccumenical prayer just as any Christian minister does.
    What they did was shameful.

    You just proved my point - the person leading the prayer this morning was NOT Buddhist; he was a Hindu. They are 2 entirely separate religions (actually, Buddhism is not a religion in the strict sense of the word, but we won’t split hairs here). Please understand the difference, because you will develop greater tolerance for all people if you take the time to learn.

    Peace

    Comment by CarolSoprano — July 12, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
    This one made me lol though
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    Those intolerant bastards. Don’t they know that Scientology is the only REAL religion?

    Comment by Jake — July 12, 2007 @ 6:21 pm

 

 
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