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    After reading ^ ... I lol since Mike Bloomberg just announced he was leaving the Republican party and continuing as mayor as an independent. Odd since everyone think's hes running for president.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    The real problem here is the fact that one of the most fundamental legal principles actually has been suspeded at all. Which, I might add, is blatantly unconstitutional.

    It's things like this that make it obvious that respect for the constitution, and indeed the entire concept of the Rule of Law, is quite alien to Bush and his posse. It also shows shameful servility from Congress. If the executive is pissing all over the constitution and overstepping its mandate it's the duty of the legislature to stop them, not just sit and watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by child_of_serenity View Post
    Thank Saizou, for actually understand the point I wanted to bring across. It's the fact that a basic right that all people should have has been taken away. This is not about Republicans or Democrats, we can just assume that the parties don't give a shit about us. As a people we should be appalled and we need to demand our rights back. Congress had no right to do what they have done, and it is something that needs to be ratified what is going on I irresponsible and illegal, and we are just letting it happen. We are the people of this country and we have the power to change what has happened, as Americans it is our duty to fight for our rights, and as Americans we cannot allow the government to take them away.

    My point is if this is not something that either party is willing to recognize we the people have to make them recognize that we will not allow them to continue to do what they are doing. We cannot sit by and let our basic rights get stripped away from us.
    The real shocker is that it's fucking obvious to anyone with half a brain that the executive has been making a huge, unconstitutional power grab, but if you say so you get a bunch of right-wingers calling you a liberal commie and dismissing anything you have to say as biased.

    It's both annoying and intellectually dishonest, and it seems that this mindset has permeated the republican party, and indeed most of the american right, through and through. All I can say is that it's idiotic.

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    @sd- that's pretty true... we are democratic republic and not a democracy... but democracy is just really popular to say.
    Actually, if I remember my PolSci classes correctly, the US is a Constitutional Republic. Pure democracy is actually somewhere closer to ancient Athens.

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    Dont worry, the world only has to deal with this shit for one more year =]


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    Wow, you guys lost Habeas Corpus? Like, officially? Sucks for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    The real shocker is that it's fucking obvious to anyone with half a brain that the executive has been making a huge, unconstitutional power grab, but if you say so you get a bunch of right-wingers calling you a liberal commie and dismissing anything you have to say as biased.

    It's both annoying and intellectually dishonest, and it seems that this mindset has permeated the republican party, and indeed most of the american right, through and through. All I can say is that it's idiotic.
    Exactly, you can even see it here, with me posting the article, somepeople ignored the actual, point of me pointing out that habeas corpus is and just came up with partisan bull shit. They are ignoring what the real issues are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by child_of_serenity View Post
    Exactly, you can even see it here, with me posting the article, somepeople ignored the actual, point of me pointing out that habeas corpus is and just came up with partisan bull shit. They are ignoring what the real issues are.
    Not really, we just think the fact you are complaining about it is idiotic. It has already been removed several times in history. In the Civil War, and during WWII, for example. In times of war, when the protection of the people as a whole is of utmost importance, moreso than rights. And it is always brought back. Always. As soon as the public decides we are no longer at war, it will come back. I am not saying I agree or disagree with this practice, just that bringing it up like it is a new thing(the first restrictions came under Clinton's presidency, by the way) that has never happened before is laughable.

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    The Civil war and WW2 are very different than the circumstances we are in currently. Simply, comparing the two is ridiculous, and even though they did happen it doesn't mean it was really the right thing to do. The states during the second world war was a very hard place to live. Speaking out against something that is wrong is something I have the right to do.

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    This isn't news, but all I can say is GL Amerikuh (FUCK YEAH!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    Not really, we just think the fact you are complaining about it is idiotic.
    Why is it idiotic to complain about the fact that your government is acting unconstitutionally? I don't know how you have it in the states, but if anyone tried to pull shit like this here in Finland, they would get thrown out of office imediately.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko
    It has already been removed several times in history. In the Civil War, and during WWII, for example. In times of war, when the protection of the people as a whole is of utmost importance, moreso than rights.
    With the slight difference that it was done legally back then (at least during the civil war). The US today is not in a state of war, no matter what some alarmists would like to believe.

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    And it is always brought back. Always. As soon as the public decides we are no longer at war, it will come back. I am not saying I agree or disagree with this practice, just that bringing it up like it is a new thing(the first restrictions came under Clinton's presidency, by the way) that has never happened before is laughable.
    That's an dangerously optimistic point of view to take when it comes to fundamental rights. Even if it wasn't obvious that the executive is trying to hijack as much authority as possible, the suspension of fundamental rights is not something to be taken that lightly.

 

 
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