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    Talking Intelligence

    So for my English class I have to read this book called The Mismeasure of Man: The definitive refutation to the argument of The Bell Curve by a, now dead, Harvard professor named Stephen Jay Gould. Im in the middle of the second chapter and this guy is discussing some hardcore abstract shit that most people are hardlined into believing. The class is discussing the concept of "truth" and whether it actually exists (which I think it does but only for an instant before it is inevitably diluted by forgetfulness, prejudice, rationalization, and time) and whether things we commonly believe to be "true" actually are.

    So the book takes hold discussing the falsities of justifications of economic status and the permanence of class and the judgments of intelligence based on physical or hereditary or even better, just general non-controllable features/characteristics. Midway through the first chapter he has debunked the concept of race and class as determining factors of intelligence, that as far back as Plato who was one of the first to devise a "logical" explanation for social structure as a product of inherent class differences and the permanence of person between generations. Oddly enough when Plato devised this plan to explain to whoever it was he said he knew he was lying saying that and that he would never convince his generation that intelligence was based on such characteristics but he would be able to do it for the next generation and the generation after that.

    Other such things like race, gender, country of origin, etc have all been used to explain peoples intelligence. Just like craniometry was in the 19th century, now Intelligence as a measurable numerical quantity is in the 20th. He and I can agree on that being bullshit. How could something as immeasurable and abstract as intelligence be formulated and quantified into a simple number that would express a persons capability for understanding or give a static value to their competence. Damn the West and its insatiable craving to order and assign a numerical value to anything and everything, to need to have a ranking for all that is apparent.

    I'm going to cut it short since I don't think threads with essays for OPs get alot of attention. So do you think that a persons intelligence can be measured? Do you believe in biological determination? Is it really that complicated? Do you think physical characteristics can define a persons "intelligence"? Should such assumptions be labeled as fact? Does any of this accurately represent the truth? Do we even know what the truth is? What the hell is intelligence? Who is it that defines what intelligence is and why do they have the power to make that distinction and make decisions based off of that? Should they present that as "truth"?

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    I don't think you can put an exact measure on it but it is certainly something you can gauge and estimate.


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    i don't think there is a way to determine intelligence numerically or that your biological features determine it either. i don't know what truth is, i guess it is the perception of people and how they interpret what goes around them. i believe intelligence is how people react to the world around them and how well they can interact with it, but i guess that's really adaptation. and assumptions are not fact because they are guesses without viable or concrete proof that they are true and should not be labeled otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    I'm going to cut it short since I don't think threads with essays for OPs get alot of attention. So do you think that a persons intelligence can be measured?
    no
    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Do you believe in biological determination? Is it really that complicated?
    biological determination? whats that? examples?

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    Do you think physical characteristics can define a persons "intelligence"? Should such assumptions be labeled as fact?
    no way......as i grow older i've realized thats not the case....i've seen enough of people that "look" smart and yet knows nothing, and people that "look" dumb or "look" like a hippe/drug addict etc and actually quite smart

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    Does any of this accurately represent the truth? Do we even know what the truth is?
    what truth is it you're looking at? about intelligence? if it is then no

    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    What the hell is intelligence?
    quite hard to describe with words, but i know what intelligence is

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    Who is it that defines what intelligence is and why do they have the power to make that distinction and make decisions based off of that? Should they present that as "truth"?
    generally society defines that i would say, but as you grow older you have your own standard on how to define intelligence and whether those that already set by society is right or wrong,

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    Asians are smarter and that's the end of that.



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    Brown people are smarter than Asians.

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    There are different kinds of intelligence, though. Academic intelligence is what we normally consider to be intelligence, generally; however, that's just one measure. A person can excel academically (even with bad work habits), but may fail socially, for example. There are people with social intelligence, too.

    I don't know if you can measure "intelligence" on anything except a comparative scale - Person X is smarter than person Y in mathematics, and person Z is smarter than person Y, but not X, therefore... you know, that kind of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda View Post
    Brown people are smarter than Asians.
    Lol, brown people are Asians (well, most anyways).

    And no, you cannot measure intelligence because there is no definitive definition for what intelligence is.

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    I believe in the concept of "truth" that isnt defined by society, but is still in the process of being determined. I hate the idea of relativism because if gives society too much leeway and takes away the concept of responsibility. I do believe people have different views on issues, such as where you stand depends on where you sit. But there is only one truth.

    Intelligence, i dont like how people have to distingish different typies of intelligence. It takes away from its definition. I see intelligence as specialization in a field, such as a rocket scientist. If i was building a rocket i would defer to the intelligent scientist, but i would not go to him/her about social welfare problems. An intelligent person would be someone who has explicit knowledge in a field of study. Can intelligence be measured, well i sure hope so. I would like to know that people who say they are experts in a field could prove it. Measurement would be done through the accomplishments of said person. As well through peer review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Just like craniometry was in the 19th century, now Intelligence as a measurable numerical quantity is in the 20th. He and I can agree on that being bullshit. How could something as immeasurable and abstract as intelligence be formulated and quantified into a simple number that would express a persons capability for understanding or give a static value to their competence.
    Uh huh...

    Try arguing that to a professor.

    "Dear Professor,

    Tests are useless. Don't give us number grades anymore! 100's and GPAs should be thrown out the window! Disregard my SAT, AP, LSAT, MCAT, IQ, and anything else.!

    Thank you for understanding.

    Sincerely,
    Your favorite student."

    Quote Originally Posted by MojoMunkeez View Post
    Asians are smarter and that's the end of that.
    YAY for false stereotypes!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!

 

 
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