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    @hanul : i saw it, but i don't agree...
    If you want to put the 2 in the same pot, then create 2 sub categories :
    - hard drug which create a strong addiction really fast : heroin, cocaine, etc.
    - hard drug which create a strong addiction really slowly : alcohol

    and even then, it is ridiculous to label something as a HARD drug only because in some extreme circumstances it becomes one !


    edit : here is a new list of very hard drugs we should totally avoid, as under some circumstances it becomes very dangerous :
    - air : if some get directly in your blood you you will die
    - food : if you eat more than you should you will become extremely fatty, which will lead to big problems, and you won't be able to stop eating easily because of the addiction
    - other stupid things

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    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0323105029.htm

    "The new ranking places alcohol and tobacco in the upper half of the league table. These socially accepted drugs were judged more harmful than cannabis, and substantially more dangerous than the Class A drugs LSD, 4-methylthioamphetamine and ecstasy."


    Maybe, just maybe [sarcasm], that's why they don't let kids drink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p00 View Post
    Maybe, just maybe [sarcasm], that's why they don't let kids drink.
    Eh. I chalked it up to the uncontrollable infection of Puritanism in America.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shautieh View Post
    look at that : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6747807.stm

    Apart from her sad story, this is screwed up :


    In Virginia, like in much of the US, you can drive when you are 15, die in the army at 17 and buy a gun at 18.
    But you cannot let beer or wine pass your lips legally until you are 21.
    even consuming some wine at home in presence of your children is criticized by some O.o
    This is just stupid :O



    ps : what do you think of this, the consumption of alcohol, and what would be your attitude with your children or other youngsters when drinking some wine/beer/whatever.. ?
    well, I already knew about that law. I like to joke about it all the time.

    Many people have fake IDs so they can get alcohol. It's so easy. Even I know where I can get some and I don't even drink!!

    hey shautieh, wanna hear something funny?

    Only in America they tried to outlaw alcohol constitutionally. That's what our 18th amendment was about. hehehehe.
    (No worries. It was changed really soon by the 21st amendment.)

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    I am the daughter of an alcoholic mother and the ex-wife of an alcoholic husband. Unless you have faced living with an alcoholic you can have no ideal of the grief that alcohol addiction can cause. I was well on my way to being an alcoholic before 25 but was lucky enough to find the strength to stop and change.

    I don't have all the documentation at hand (google 'teen drinking affects brain'), but I have heard/read that recent research has shown that the brains of humans under 18 year olds are still developing. Many drugs can adversely affect the development. Alcohol is a biggie on that list. That is why I did not want my kids drinking before they were 18. Yes, they were very rarely allowed a small glass of wine when we were at my dad's house. I no longer drink and don't keep alcohol around my house.

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    since Elisa knew most of the kids because she had taught them at school, she did not think it was necessary to warn their parents that beer would be consumed.
    I would be furious and out for blood if any other adult took it upon themselves to decide it was ok to serve my kid alcohol. That is what that woman did.

    Bottom line on this: No matter what you think of the law, it is the law and she broke it.

    P.S. How did she get caught? I would be willing to bet that some of the boys at the party bragged to people not at the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolpuprocks View Post
    Only in America they tried to outlaw alcohol constitutionally. That's what our 18th amendment was about. hehehehe.
    (No worries. It was changed really soon by the 21st amendment.)
    are you speaking of the prohibition ? (which was implemented in order for the elites to have more control over the masses, but had to be dropped with all the mess it created ^^... now they are changing their strategy, and struggle to put into the commoners' minds that alcohol/weed/tabac/jokes/happiness/etc are bad for business)


    edit @animama : i am well aware that alcohol (as well as most things in life) can be (extremely) bad for an individual if not consumed with moderation, but the point is it is not a reason to ban it or exaggerate the (big enough) problem
    Bottom line : sometimes, laws are simply plain... i agree she broke it but common sense clearly was lacking in this trial.
    I get she got caught because a child bragged about it as you said, or they were noisy and the neighbours complained to the police.... but anyway, i also think she was wrong to take it upon herself and should have made it clear to other parents that there would be alcohol at her place, but considering the efforts she made for everyone to have a nice time without endangering themselves i think she didn't deserve this much ! => as someone else said, a fine or a work for the community for some time would have been a hard enough price to pay...

    PS : I am lucky for you that you found the energy to avoid falling into alcoholism, but i don't think you should realistically expect your children to not drink alcohol without telling you when they will have 15-17 or so... the best you can do (and every parent should) is to explain what can be the consequences (and you should be able to do that well considering your experience) of drinking too much alcohol, and then they will take their own decision about it, hopefully a positive one

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    Well my younger daughter is now 18 and is allowed to drink at home or at my dad's if she wants to, even though it would be illegal. She is not interested in alcohol or drugs. (Lucky mom!) I am certain that my older daughter drank alcohol when she was out with her friends while she was underage. I was not blind or stupid. I just did not enable it. She recently told me that she did drugs with her dad They smoked pot and snorted coke together when she was under 19. I was furious. I can't even bitch him out about it because I promised my daughter I wouldn't say anything to him about it.

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    The Private Potion, don't drink it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animama View Post
    Well my younger daughter is now 18 and is allowed to drink at home or at my dad's if she wants to, even though it would be illegal. She is not interested in alcohol or drugs. (Lucky mom!) I am certain that my older daughter drank alcohol when she was out with her friends while she was underage. I was not blind or stupid. I just did not enable it. She recently told me that she did drugs with her dad They smoked pot and snorted coke together when she was under 19. I was furious. I can't even bitch him out about it because I promised my daughter I wouldn't say anything to him about it.
    Her dad is a fucking idiot, from the sound of it. Snorting cocaine with his daughter? Jesus.

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    and his granddaughter, even though her daughter didn't wanted to and he must knew about it
    But well, i guess that he wanted to share it with her (as wrong as it may be) because it is what makes him happier personally... or else he is a sadistic asshole and as don't want to be alone in his downfall he tries to bring innocent people down with him :s

 

 
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