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    adonai is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    @SD, Beats/(unit of time) would be though (I'm aware that she isn't talking about that but as time approaches infinity, the person would basically be dead).

    @Sherman, about the animals, horomes basically, and it is possible to measure whether they experience pleasure (endorphin levels I think, can't quite remember), I know it's been done for lab mice (tactile stimulation of certain patches of skin caused "tickling" and "laughing" in the form of an auditory response).

    *edit: too slow again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Your heartbeat isn't a reaction.
    Depends how you look at it, your heart could be reacting to signals from your brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai View Post
    @Sherman, about the animals, horomes basically, and it is possible to measure whether they experience pleasure (endorphin levels I think, can't quite remember), I know it's been done for lab mice (tactile stimulation of certain patches of skin caused "tickling" and "laughing" in the form of an auditory response).
    Yep, you can test for endorphin levels in animals to check their pleasure levels. Also, behavioural tests are a good sign - all things being equal, if an animal persists in a certain activity, it's usually an indicator that they like it; whereas if it avoids the activity, it probably doesn't like it.

    There's this cool test they did where they put a wire into a mouse's brain so that when a mild electric current was sent down it, it activated the pleasure section of the brain and gave the mouse an enjoyable sensation. Then in the mouse's cage they set up a lever, which when pressed, would deliver the electric charge. The mouse worked out the connection, and once he did, he never left the lever - even to the extent of neglecting food and drink. He kept firing off the lever until he collapsed.

    Animals can definitely feel peasure, and they do like to experience it. But I don't know of any tests which show that they find pleasure in sexual intercourse - and in fact I'd say the fact that they abstain from it for such a long time is an indicator that they don't, particularly.

    As an aside, the same test was done with mentally retarded people, with the same results, but that test isn't quite so ethical...

    EDIT: Oh, and so what if a heart beat isn't a reaction. It's an unconscious action, one which you have no control over, no matter how much you want it. That's what she was saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    EDIT: Oh, and so what if a heart beat isn't a reaction. It's an unconscious action, one which you have no control over, no matter how much you want it. That's what she was saying.
    Agreed, heart beat is a reaction, I've heard the Tibeten monks can control their heartbeat.

    btw I just watched this movie, "Birthday Girl," it's about a Mail order bride,

    In the movie, the guy picked a girl out of a catalogue, apparently thing is as not as expected.

    So yeah, is it any different than higher level of prostitution? the girls arrive on a fiancee visa and then they either get married or return to their home country, depending on how well they get along. In the movie the girl pretends that she doesn't understand English and prefers physical communication instead, so the guy could fall for her faster XD
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    Ahaha, funny how that works

 

 
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