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    I wanna go see that museum. I'm interested in what kind of pro-creationism proof they have there. Not to mention, with $27 million poured into that museum, I could be certain that I would be seeing some of the most convinced pro-creationism evidence that people know of at present


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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoMunkeez View Post
    Well, isn't it Christian faith that nonbelievers go to hell?
    And isn't creationism an integral part of Christianity?
    True, but they shouldn't try to force their beliefs onto others. Also, you don't have to believe in creationism to believe in god. At the end of the day the bible is just a book, just because you don't believe in a few of the passages contained within, doesn't mean you are an unbeliever. For all we know, God may actually exist yet the bible could also be wrong, God didn't write the bible. You don't have to believe in the bible word for word to be a christian or have faith in god.

    My faith (or lack of) is actually irrelevent in this discussion, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I find it insulting that they think that they can tell me what to believe in and tell me what will happen in my future based on my beliefs. What I choose to believe is my business and they shouldn't try to impress their beliefs apon me. As I've already said, I chose to believe in evolution, so its insulting that they think they know what I should be made to believe in.

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    I'm going to have to agree with 98abaile on this one. Even though I was baptised as a Catholic I'm not very devout, and I believe in treating people with respect no matter what their beliefs are. As such, I absolutely can't stand those zealots (from any religion or belief) who push their beliefs upon others.

    From my own experiences, do you know who are the worst when it comes to pushing their religion? Mormons. We used to regularly get them knocking on our door to try and get us to convert to their religion, and one time I told them that I had my own beliefs and wasn't interested, do you know what they had the nerve to say to me?

    "OH, so you're not interested in the salvation of your own soul?"

    I was not impressed.

    Just in case you're curious, I believe in evolution. I don't believe in everything the Bible says (it was written by a man after all, not God himself) and I believe that things can be taken out of context a lot of the time.

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    I'm playing devil's advocate here, but if you believe in something that is life-changing (for the better), wouldn't you want to tell others about it?



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    Quote Originally Posted by shautieh View Post
    if you lack the basics, how can you see the so called contradictions you were speaking about ? ^^

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio...ication_Survey
    ^ there are more catholics than i thought
    Because i was in a catholic school for 8 years, so i know (well, knew) quite a lot about the bible and the catholic teachings. And at least i can remember there are many contradictions, even if i can't recall them at all.
    The thing is that i'm not from USA, so i don't know about all the stuff going on over there.

    My bad anyway.
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    I heard about this when it was being built. I'd love to go there and have them try to save me. I swear they'd kill me out of frustration... Its rather "nice" that Creationists now have their own place to say "hey this is what real science proves ... ok naw forget it... i cant even write that with a straight face. Whether you believe in evolution or creationism the FACT remains that the key word in that phrase is believe. Let them believe what they want but the first person who comes up and tries to save me is not going to enjoy the conversation. And as per saving souls... I'd just say I would like someone to show me someone who's died and gone to heaven then prove that thats actually where they are* =)

    But I digress. I'm really curious about the arguments they present to disprove evolution. Ive heard none other than "there are missing links" and "But the bible didnt say it happened that way!!". And assuming they believe in New-Earth Creationism (according to that adorable lil kid) how they explain carbon-dating and atomic half lives. I guess I'll have to go there and ask for myself... i give myself ten minutes before they kick me out...


    *please ignore all the glaring abstract possibilites of this sentence.


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    Iam sure when i studied antropology we were not the humans that museaum believe we were during the ice age
    search wiki type human evolution ihope it make things more clear
    anyways the museum looks very nice i kinda wanna go there and believe wat they are saying , life will be much more easier if what they are saying is true.
    They say Lewis Carroll was mentally ill

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    I think it says everything that I am taking a (Catholic) religion class that is required by law to teach Christian (er, Catholic) morals and my teacher, as well as my entire class, thinks creationism is a load of bullshit. And, um, says so. And teaches so. In fact, we had an entire unit on evolution and Darwin and it definitely wasn't saying that he was wrong.

    And no, apparently non-believers don't go to Hell anymore. Of course, that just might be Catholics (again) who think and say that. So, um. It's kind of sad when people of the same religion don't get along, but then, Iraq kind of proves that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilileach View Post
    to 98 baile
    Iam sure when i studied antropology we were not the humans that museaum believe we were during the ice age
    search wiki type human evolution ihope it make things more clear
    anyways the museum looks very nice i kinda wanna go there and believe wat they are saying , life will be much more easier if what they are saying is true.
    uhhh, assuming your commenting saying that humans as we are weren't around during the last ice age... the last ice age (The Würm Ice Age) was ~10,000 to ~70,000 years ago, Homo Sapiens have been around for ~130,000 to ~200,000 years...


    I'd like to die with the songs I love stuck in my head. I hope to make the most of these hollow bones we become.
    I raise a toast to the the souls that sang all along. I've been gathering friends to just to make some sounds,
    before the ship goes down, I've been making amends by making the rounds before the whole world ends


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    in Iraq different types muslims fight each other. Islam like christinaty has many types in Iraq the types are shia and sunni and cords which all are from different types of islam
    steal dragon u made anice comment let me check it out , u kinda proved how aperson can be so wrong when he doesnt listen to his teacher properly
    They say Lewis Carroll was mentally ill

 

 
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