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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    Like paganism is mostly associated with like you know, wiccans and nordics and the like. You won't hear people calling buddhisim and shintoism pagan religions. And I'm pretty sure alot of people would disagree about budhissim and shintoism as being pagan.

    Though then there are those who use that definition of paganism as everything but Islam, Judaism, and christianity. Which seems to be bigotry perhaps?
    Well if your taking the negative conotations of the word, wouldn't it be just as bigoted to refer to followers of nordic beliefs or wicca, or whatever other belief system as pagans? Surely the only people you could really refer to as pagans with accuracy would be us agnostics or atheists?

    Oh and there are those baha'i people too.

    Jakko, I'm gonna have to disagree with you regarding what marriage essentially is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your saying that marriage is under the purview of christianity, and civil unions are what anyone else can have? Well according to how I, and the dictionary http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage , perceive it, marriage is simply the pledge of two peoples to spend their lives together as a couple, which normally involves either religious or legal affirmation.

    If christians want to segregate certain people and not marry them, then that's their choice, I agree. However my problem is that marriage conducted under the auspices of christian ceremony is, at least seemingly to me, considered the normal way to go about things. My point, is that if christianty does wish to single these people out, this control (perhaps wrongly percieved on my account) of marriage should be removed, and replaced with a ceremony everybit as authentic and credible, but conducted by the state.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    Ah, like a StopTazmo debating club? An association of gentlemen (and women) where everyone drinks tea, wears a monocle and speaks in a british accent? Sounds mighty fine to me.
    Is it possible to get some kind of badge or sash for being extra precocious and already mastering one of these esteemed attributes ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    Ah, like a StopTazmo debating club? An association of gentlemen (and women) where everyone drinks tea, wears a monocle and speaks in a british accent? Sounds mighty fine to me.
    Exactly. Shall safari hats become required attire, or wigs?
    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    Well, yes, but it did exist, providing us with an example of a non-Abrahameic monotheistic religion.
    However, if I remember my history correctly, aren't some of them dualistic in their beliefs as well?
    Quote Originally Posted by StealthMoose View Post
    Well if your taking the negative conotations of the word, wouldn't it be just as bigoted to refer to followers of nordic beliefs or wicca, or whatever other belief system as pagans? Surely the only people you could really refer to as pagans with accuracy would be us agnostics or atheists?

    Oh and there are those baha'i people too.

    Jakko, I'm gonna have to disagree with regarding what marriage essentially is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your saying that marriage is under the purview of christianity, and civil unions are what anyone else can have? Well according to how I, and the dictionary http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage , perceive it, marriage is simply the pledge of two peoples to spend their lives together as a couple, which normally involves either religious or legal affirmation.

    If christians want to segregate certain people and not marry them, then that's their choice, I agree. However my problem is that marriage conducted under the auspices of christian ceremony is, at least seemingly to me, considered the normal way to go about things. My point, is that if christianty does wish to single these people out, this control (perhaps wrongly percieved on my account) of marriage should be removed, and replaced with a ceremony everybit as authentic and credible, but conducted by the state.



    Is it possible to get some kind of badge or sash for being extra precocious and already mastering one of these esteemed attributes ?
    You bring up some great points, however, I don't have time to respond at the moment, as I must now cut some grass to earn some easy money. Will respond later. =p

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealthMoose View Post
    Is it possible to get some kind of badge or sash for being extra precocious and already mastering one of these esteemed attributes ?
    Why not? I also suggest the introduction of long and pretentious titles for all involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko
    Exactly. Shall safari hats become required attire, or wigs?
    I was thinking about something akin to a top hat, but a safari one is fine too.

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    However, if I remember my history correctly, aren't some of them dualistic in their beliefs as well?
    That is a matter of theology. Basically there was one sect that considered evil to be a side of Ahura Mazda, and another sect that considered evil to be a separate deity (Zurvanism).

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealthMoose View Post
    Well if your taking the negative conotations of the word, wouldn't it be just as bigoted to refer to followers of nordic beliefs or wicca, or whatever other belief system as pagans? Surely the only people you could really refer to as pagans with accuracy would be us agnostics or atheists?

    Oh and there are those baha'i people too.
    I'm saying what I hear from alot of people, I don't call those who are followers of the nordic beliefs or wiccan beliefs or any other belief system a pagan. I don't consider anyone a pagan actually, just whatever their religion is, I'll consider them that.

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    Use the scythe, Jakko!

    Also of note to this jolly little discussion, what's the general consensus of the Dreamtime?


    Marriage – As I understood it, is firstly a legal binding of two individuals into a mutual support contract, and secondly a religious ceremony that celebrates the 'death' of the individuals to the families they come from.
    Speaking psycobabbly, of course.

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    In an ironic turn of events, it appears that Fred Phelps and his ilk are planning to picket Falwell's funeral. Apparently because Falwell wasn't hardcore enough.

    EDIT: And since I won't have access to the internet for the next week I'll be summarizing my position on the whole Falwell matter and signing off by quoting Lord Byron.

    Posterity will ne'er survey
    A nobler grave than this:
    Here lie the bones of Castlereagh:
    Stop, traveller, and piss.
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    Heh. My friend sent me a page from Westboro Baptist Church that was calling Jerry Falwell out for being a "fag-enabler" and a creator of the "Satan Sodomite Zeitgeist". As he puts it so eloquently, if Jerry fucking Falwell is a fag enabler, what the hell are we?

 

 
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