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    While this saddens me. I see how StealDragon got a point. Yes the evidence was there and evident, but if the prosecutor couldn't hold a solid case together there is where he failed. The guy probably did do it. Will life come and bite him in the ass probably.

    I agree with some of the comments saying that sex offenders should be put in life for things like these. Also considering that he had a previous offense.


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    Jakko, whatever happened to 'thou shalt not kill' ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shautieh View Post
    err... even if he seems to not be innocent, how can your criticize modern democracy like that ?
    Do you really think it was better when people were arbitrarily killed without much proof ???

    having to prove that someone is guilty may let some bad persons out, but it is still way more preferable than for the persons to be considered guilty a priori..
    Well my point wasn't to imply that it was better to have mob mentality; but, I believe it's a rather self-destructive quicksand ideal that so many people think the modern justice system is a completed project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealthMoose View Post
    Jakko, whatever happened to 'thou shalt not kill' ?
    Superceded by:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dueteronomy 22:23-29
    23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
    24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
    25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
    26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
    27For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
    28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
    Nowadays, we consider 22:26 to cover all forms of rape, as we are no longer living in small villages where a scream can be heard anywhere. Regardless, since he raped(and kidnapped) two girls, not one, and raped a third earlier, he would fall under the realm of:
    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus 21:16
    16And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
    Quote Originally Posted by Leviticus 20:10
    10And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
    As you can see, if we follow the letter of the law, he would have to have married that 12 year old(though most think it it more appropriate to follow 22:26 in cases like this). He would also be put to death for kidnapping and adultery(though not the girls, as they were forced).
    "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is followed, you are right, Stealthmoose, unless it is superceded by another passage in the Bible, as it is. However, we could get into a debate on the Old Covenant/New Covenant of the Old and New Testament, or "Covenant of the Law,"/"Covenant of Mercy," however, we will not. I just wanted to show that, though I do believe that(Old versus New Covenant), that the Bible shows ample reasoning for this belief(Kill the rapist, I mean), even if we are now under the "Covenant of Mercy," for what is detestable to God at one time is always detestable to Him. I just wanted to show you that you are not the only one that can throw out arbitrary Bible passages. =p

    P.S. - I chose to use King James Version instead of NIV, NAS, NSV, ESV, NKJV, or ASV, because you chose to use it, so I did the same, for continuity sake. =p

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    Well my point was that you seem relatively carefree about condemning people to death, which would at very least go against the commandments by which you're supposed to live your life as a christian. A commandment should be just that shouldn't it? To be able to ammend it later seems highly convenient, not to mention hypocritcal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealthMoose View Post
    Well my point was that you seem relatively carefree about condemning people to death, which would at very least go against the commandments by which you're supposed to live your life as a christian. A commandment should be just that shouldn't it? To be able to ammend it later seems highly convenient, not to mention hypocritcal.
    ??? What in the world are you talking about?
    God told the people not to murder, but he also had them put the Caananites to the sword. Obviously, unless otherwise stated by God, you should not murder. And guess what, those are things that are otherwise stated by God.

    It is not hypocritical in the least. To understand that, you have to understand that, pre-New Covenant, all people deserved death, as they were all sinners, unable to recieve grace apart from temporary sacrifices(consequently, why do you think Jesus was called the "Lamb of God," when lambs were sacrifices to forgive sin? Because He was to be a permanent one.), and then you have to remember that while God is a perfect being, that means he is both perfect in grace and in justice, meaning that while giving people grace gives Him glory(which is well, and indeed, proper, for a perfect being to desire), so does dispensing the justice we all deserve. But I digress, it would take too long to explain, and you probably don't want to hear it, so I will just leave it at...
    ...your statement is incorrect, due to a long, drawn out, convuluted argument that is religious, and, therefore, not allowed to be discussed on this subforum. If you want to continue this, PM me, but we are not allowed to argue about religion in the Chit Chat subforum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko
    As you can see, if we follow the letter of the law, he would have to have married that 12 year old
    Haha. Nice system. That'd teach him, alright. And even better, the victim gets such a strong sense of relief in seeing her raper punished so strongly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko
    Which is why I say, "to bad they no longer have lynch mobs."
    Which is why I say, "I hate girls who call rape when there is none ... because then people will treat the accused exactly as you are all treating this guy now, regardless of lack of evidence."

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    Yeah. Women can call rape, and what can the guy do about it? Or women can lie about their age, and God knows how many 15 year olds these days look like they're 20. Jakko, haven't you read any articles about stuff like this that screws up dudes?

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    Wow, and I thought god was supposed to be forgiving. Anyway, rules people, remember no religion.

 

 
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