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    coolerimmortal is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by shautieh View Post
    In the meantime, there was nothing left from them soon afterwards... no language traits, nor civilizational, nor cultural, nothing...
    They just conquered a lot of space quickly, but without holding it or even ruling it, and that makes them bad conquerors ^^

    unless i've missed something, which is possible as i don't know the Mongol so much

    Beside, how was Roman slavery system not a bad thing ? I assume it was not for the Romans of course, but that's it.... (if you mean it was less bad than other systems from equivalent civilizations then why not )
    The Mongols left a command structure in place, one which basically consisted of choosing the most powerful group in the region and telling them to run things in the Mongols' absense. It worked quite well until the Russians realized that the Mongols were too busy to come back and reconquer them, so they simply stopped sending tribute.

    Roman slavery was not based on race. It was essentially economic, for the most part. Granted, prisoners of war tended to be sold into slavery as well...

    Romans would often become slaves in order to pay off debts. They would remain slaves until freed, which often happened at the time of their master's death. Slaves who were freed before their master died, however, became part of another Roman system, the Clientage/Patronage system. They would become "clients" of their former owners, now "patrons". The patrons would assist them (give them money, help them set up businesses, etc) in exchange for support (political, mainly). I could go on about the Clientage system for days...suffices to say, it was very interesting.

    Freed slaves could go as high as the Equitorial class, though they were restricted from becoming senators unless the emperor appointed them.

    It was essentially just another economic system, and the freeing of slaves created the Clientage system, which was somewhat like a primitive (and extremely effective) welfare program.

    I've done a poor job of explaining it, but suffices to say, Roman slavery was very different from Imperialistic slavery. There were no feelings of superiority, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Im just browsing, reading this thread until i have something useful to say other than this quip.

    We dont use roman numerals today because they are dead wrong and they fail miserably when used for math since they have no digit for zero. Arabs had a zero digit so we use theirs instead.
    The zero concept came to the Arabs from the Indians.
    However, the Arabs invented pie. Who doesn't love pie?

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    ^ And the Chinese invented noodles (among other things), who doesn't love noodles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatTree View Post
    However, the Arabs invented pie. Who doesn't love pie?
    really ? i'd think that pie invention was more.. international

    @cooler : telling others group to rule their country and send tribute from time to time can be efficient for a short time, but nevertheless the civilizational influence of the Mongols was quickly completely lost (as if they never passed by), unless they made some other things than establishing command structures (typical Mongol edifices ? new system of laws that lasted after their fall in the formerly conquered regions ? assimilation of a part or totality of the Mongol language into the language of the conquered people ?...)


    About Roman slavery, it was seen as a way to refund a debt then right ? (It seems normal that prisoners of wars were reduced to slavery then)
    And it's true that some erudite slaves were used as teachers for the home's children and were considered quite well
    But in the meantime those who had to work in mines or do other kinds of difficult work where not that lucky ^^ (idem for those that had to fight and die in arenae)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shautieh View Post
    really ? i'd think that pie invention was more.. international
    By pie, I meant pi. I was waiting for someone to correct me.
    Which reminds me, where's all the grammer/spelling nazis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shautieh View Post
    @cooler : telling others group to rule their country and send tribute from time to time can be efficient for a short time, but nevertheless the civilizational influence of the Mongols was quickly completely lost (as if they never passed by), unless they made some other things than establishing command structures (typical Mongol edifices ? new system of laws that lasted after their fall in the formerly conquered regions ? assimilation of a part or totality of the Mongol language into the language of the conquered people ?...)
    The Mongols barely even had a civilization in the first place. They were basically a roving army, if I recall correctly. They were incredible conquerors, but they weren't much for creating actual settlements.

    Quote Originally Posted by shautieh View Post
    About Roman slavery, it was seen as a way to refund a debt then right ? (It seems normal that prisoners of wars were reduced to slavery then)
    And it's true that some erudite slaves were used as teachers for the home's children and were considered quite well
    But in the meantime those who had to work in mines or do other kinds of difficult work where not that lucky ^^ (idem for those that had to fight and die in arenae)
    True. The slaves who had to work in the mines had damn hard lives. Gladiators didn't have it so bad...they could win their freedom, actually. Gladiators weren't always slaves, either. There were numerous cases of people signing up to be gladiators for the hell of it.

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    also there was that jiggaboo or whatever thing. My black frineds said that was equivalent to nig word.

    PLus i think the ho thing was the main problem. Lcassifying woman as hoes on the radio is pretty messed up.

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    Well whatever... he's fired now since all the advertisers pulled out. So fuck it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    3. Blacks: like i said, Blacks are mostly racists against white males, not female whites. The thing is, if you haven't lived in a black community or been around black people, u'd think they are the most obnoxious race which they arent. But against white males, yes they are.

    Here in suriname black girls loves white man
    and from what I heard of Jamaica and the other island
    it's also almost the same.

    because they all see BLACK MAN as a lazy type
    and yes I know what it's like to live in a Black community.







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    http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/0....ap/index.html

    I guess some people might find it offensive, since it had something to do with slavery

 

 
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