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    Default Standardized Testing

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    I took the SATs once in seventh grade and again last year, in ninth grade...took the ACTs a week after the SATs last year, as well. This year, I took the PSATs in October (I got my score yesterday...perfect, 240/240. Unfortunately, I'm not eligible for National Merit consideration as I'm a sophomore...I have to take the test again next year) and I'm signed up for the January 27th SAT. I'll probably sign up for an ACT as well.

    They're really not as bad as they're cracked up to be, I think.

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    Pointless, stupid, and a waste of time and money.

    They assume that everyone should be at the same level no matter where they are or what their teacher/school is like, so that people can be viewed and compared to others who may be learning differently from them. Also, there is no room for anything other than the exact thing they request - which is good in some aspects, following instructions, but you can't show off that you are smart, either. In Ontario, it's all about following instructions. I could never show off on the English parts because I was restricted to writing about a boring subject in a small space.

    ...But then again, in Ontario, all they're for is comparing students. There's no benefit to taking one.
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    Furr, Letter to Montclarion April 21 1994, on SAT Tests

    http://www.shss.montclair.edu/english/furr/gfsat1.html

    To the Editorial Editor:

    The Montclarion

    Montclair State College

    Upper Montclair, NJ 07043

    Dear Madam:

    The notion of "reverse racism" -- that undeserving non-white students are being admitted to MSC and other colleges because of "lowering the standards" -- is completely false. Jason Alders (letter, April 14) has been misled about the nature of the quali fications or standards that are used for admission into college. These standards are racist and elitist ones. They hurt all working-class students, whites and non-whites alike.

    College admissions "standards" at MSC are made up of High School grades and SAT scores. HS grades are the best predictor of college success. If HS grades alone were used for college admissions, the top s tudents at mainly minority HSs would be treated the same, for college admissions purposes, as the top students at wealthy suburban, or private, or any other HSs.

    The result would be FAR MORE NON-WHITE STUDENTS at MSC and other colleges than there are today. There would also be FAR MORE POOR AND WORKING-CLASS WHITE STUDENTS in the colleges. That would be fairer, to o. Citizens in working-class, poorer, inner-city, and non-white areas pay property and state taxes, so they deserve the same degree of access to public colleges.

    But in a capitalist system everything is always stacked in favor of the rich. One example is college admissions. SAT scores are merged with HS grades to create a racist and elitist result.

    The "Scholastic Aptitude Tests" (SATs) are a fraud. There is no such thing as "scholastic aptitude." This is simply the name the test-makers long ago gave this test. It sounds "scientific", and so it inti midates ordinary people from understanding what is really going on.

    SAT scores "predict" family income and race far more accurately than they do anything else, including college performance. On average, the higher the family income, the higher the SAT score. As between races, on average whites do better at every income level than latins and blacks.

    The tests, then, serve to perpetuate the status quo, in which the wealthy get the benefits while the working class, black, latins, and white, get cheated. At the same time the SATs dupe the public into be lieving that wealthier students, who get higher scores, are "more deserving", while all others, but especially non-whites, are "undeserving." The SATs perpetuate the illusion of "equal opportunity" while di sguising the reality of privilege.

    Most dangerous, the SATs create racist divisions among students by suggesting that black and latin students are "less qualified" because they receive lower scores on these racist tests. Having been taught the racist lie that "scholastic aptitude" exists, and that blacks and latins have "less" of it than whites, many white students draw the conclusion it has been intended for them to draw -- that many non-white students are "undeserving."

    This racism is essentially no different than that of Hitler or the Ku Klux Klan. And it has the same purpose and result -- to divide black, latin and white students against one another, in order to preven t their uniting together to fight for better conditions, including lower tuition and open admissions.

    Grover Furr, Assistant Professor of English

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    read the follow-up letter on SATs published two weeks later!,

    Furr, "letter to The Montclarion on SAT tests, 21 Apr 1994" / furrg@alpha.montclair.edu / HTML'd by GF 2 Feb 1996











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    What's an SAT? We don't have those here. We get into university based on our high-school marks, which makes the US so tempting because of your ways to get into university. :3
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    i'll surely take one one day or the other because it make the curriculum vitae look good, but that's it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    What's an SAT? We don't have those here. We get into university based on our high-school marks, which makes the US so tempting because of your ways to get into university. :3
    Err yeah what the shit are your versions of SATs ? I mean we have some here in Angleland but they're more a measure of how you're progressing through the school .. apparantly. I reckon they're more a measure for how shit the teachers are doing. But anyway yeah what the deuce ?

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    What SATs? We get into university based on highschool marks alone. Our standardized tests are not optional and basically serve no purpose except to compare kids/schools against each other, which is a waste of time and money.
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    SAT=Scholastic Aptitude Test. It's this big standardized test which alot of colleges and universities look into. It's apparently a big deal when going into college/university, since some of those colleges/universities require a certain score or higher to get in/take the major you want. Colleges/universities use it to compare the applicants.
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    I actually love standardized tests. They're so easy for me, and they offset my grades. I love it when my calculator runs out of batteries during the SAT and I have to do the math by hand and I still end up finishing with 10 minutes to spare.



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    The dumbest person I know got a higher score than me. I got a pretty high score too but through hard work and studying for about 2-3 years before taking it. He, however, just took it his first time....and did very well. It's a BS test and college board makes alot of money from it... It's sad that SAT's have a big impact on how college's profile students (although there are GPA's, activities, etc). Many of the college's are not looking at SAT's at all this year. Even college's think its BS...so yeah.

    "SAT tests how well you take the SAT's." - Princeton Review
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