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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai View Post
    Then I have to say again, it's only been theorized because of Mars; you may have noticed that there are many other differences between Mars and the Earth, aside from the relative positions and orbits of their moon(s).
    also works vice versa. Since how we do have such a large orbiting satetillite (sp) and mars doesnt. Helps explain why mars can change its tilt big time, yet we stay relatively the same.

    you do know thats mars's moons Phobos and Deimos are so small and insignificant (one of them is smaller than Manhattan) that theyre most likely captured asteroids instead of actual moons. i think a ball of Brooklynites has more gravitational effect than those two potatoes.

    im not even going to respond to the previous post because once i saw that you compared Earth without the Moon to Mars my opinion that youre an idiot was cemented.
    why do u think i purposely said that, but other than that, nice spam buddy! =D

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    thank you i pride myself on it.

    anyways this is pretty much over. theres nothing to prove because common sense is not something that can be taught. i could explain that the moons gravity does not affect Earths weather, i could explain that as long as the Sun remains the same distance as it is from Earth the average temperature of this planet will not increase, i could explain that its far more likely for a dramatic temperature change by a surface agent (position of continents, supervolcanic explosion, or meteoritic impacts) than the immensely weak and intangible force of the moons gravity, i could go on to say that theres no chance in hell with the current atmospheric composition and layout for temperatures to ever reach 100 C, i could explain that a object that is barely strong enough to lift the water level ten feet could prevent a mass billions of times larger from moving is impossible, i could explain that saying the moons gravity affecting weather on earth is like saying the earth isnt a perfect sphere because of the moons gravity, i could even go as far as to go through all your posts to find each and every obvious contradiction you made...

    BUT! it would be like talking to a rock with a bad opinion, its far smarter on my part to take the apparent path of my fellow members and ignore you rather than wasting time trying to use common sense to obliterate your "argument", try thinking for yourself instead of believing everything you read.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    thank you i pride myself on it.

    anyways this is pretty much over. theres nothing to prove because common sense is not something that can be taught. i could explain that the moons gravity does not affect Earths weather, i could explain that as long as the Sun remains the same distance as it is from Earth the average temperature of this planet will not increase, i could explain that its far more likely for a dramatic temperature change by a surface agent (position of continents, supervolcanic explosion, or meteoritic impacts) than the immensely weak and intangible force of the moons gravity, i could go on to say that theres no chance in hell with the current atmospheric composition and layout for temperatures to ever reach 100 C, i could explain that a object that is barely strong enough to lift the water level ten feet could prevent a mass billions of times larger from moving is impossible, i could explain that saying the moons gravity affecting weather on earth is like saying the earth isnt a perfect sphere because of the moons gravity, i could even go as far as to go through all your posts to find each and every obvious contradiction you made...

    BUT! it would be like talking to a rock with a bad opinion, its far smarter on my part to take the apparent path of my fellow members and ignore you rather than wasting time trying to use common sense to obliterate your "argument", try thinking for yourself instead of believing everything you read.

    yet i havent seen any of this done, all i see is you say this or that with nothing behind it. It's just like the saying goes, "pics or stfu" but in this case it's links to the subject. (sorry, didnt really feel like swearing, but thats how the saying goes)

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    ...sigh... all of these are opposing theories that detail events that you swear only happen because of the moon and q/a's that explain what would actually happen if the moon didnt exist (which is not your argument but unfortunately is a question answered in most of the articles) and/or if its gravity was strong enough to affect the cycles of the earth before it leaves orbit. read em and weep.

    http://www.agu.org/meetings/cc02babs...Sparks-INV.pdf
    http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun...ence020426.pdf
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/feature...ceage_02.shtml
    http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/messa...nd_ice_age.htm
    http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q2158.html
    http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1733.html
    http://www.astrosociety.org/educatio.../33/moon2.html
    http://www.astrosociety.org/educatio...tnl/33/33.html
    http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...3003.Gb.r.html <<< READ ME!
    http://starryskies.com/Artshtml/dln/1-01/no.moon.html



    face it. you have no argument, like i said a billion times already, if the moon disappeared tomorrow besides the tides there would be nothing different on this planet.

    END OF DISCUSSION.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    ...sigh... all of these are opposing theories that detail events that you swear only happen because of the moon and q/a's that explain what would actually happen if the moon didnt exist (which is not your argument but unfortunately is a question answered in most of the articles) and/or if its gravity was strong enough to affect the cycles of the earth before it leaves orbit. read em and weep.

    http://www.agu.org/meetings/cc02babs...Sparks-INV.pdf
    http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun...ence020426.pdf
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/feature...ceage_02.shtml
    http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/messa...nd_ice_age.htm
    http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q2158.html
    http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1733.html
    http://www.astrosociety.org/educatio.../33/moon2.html
    http://www.astrosociety.org/educatio...tnl/33/33.html
    http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...3003.Gb.r.html <<< READ ME!
    http://starryskies.com/Artshtml/dln/1-01/no.moon.html



    face it. you have no argument, like i said a billion times already, if the moon disappeared tomorrow besides the tides there would be nothing different on this planet.

    END OF DISCUSSION.
    an article of volcanoes...besides it being another thing on how it can affect climate (along with the other listings it has) what does this have to do with what i was saying?

    "It follows from this that it requires relatively unusual circumstances to produce the necessary warmth to force the glaciers back. The answer to this appears to lie in the orbital patterns of the Earth around the sun. There are two orbital features of the Earth, its elliptical orbit, and the tilt of the Earth in relation to its plane of orbit.

    These eccentricities of orbit are not constant and fixed. The Earth's orbit changes from being almost a perfect circle to its elliptical form and then back again. This pattern can take around 100,000 years. Similarly, the Earth's tilt does not remain fixed at 66.5&#176; to the plane but varies between 65.6&#176; and 68.2&#176; over a period of 40,000 years. At present the tilt is increasing.

    There is a third quirk in the Earth's orbit, namely a 'wobble' in its axis of rotation. This is caused by the pull of the moon and has a cycle of approximately 24,000 years. The significance of these variations is that some sixty years ago a Yugoslavian geophysicist, Milankovitch, suggested that these alternations could account for the ice age/interlgacial pattern."


    lmao, from the article itself.

    what is this?????? what does this have to do with the moon? Polar shifts due to MASSIVE collaspe of ice caps?? omg, did u even read this?

    "There would be a change in the precession of the equinoxes so that they would no longer precess with a 24,500 year period. The exact details of what would happen are beyond what I can provide here."

    did u even read this? here's the title: "What effect did the Moon have on the Earth 900 million years ago when it was 21,250 miles closer?"

    umm...again, what does this have to do with anything?

    " If Earth is slowing down, it must have been rotating more rapidly in the past. By counting the growth rings in 400-million-year-old coral fossils and in 3-billion-year-old stromatolites, geologists calculate that Earth was rotating four times faster when it formed than it is today. The tidal effects of the Moon and, to a much lesser degree, the Sun have lengthened the day from six hours to 24 hours.

    We can also work backwards in time for the Moon. Since the Moon is moving away, it must once have been closer. The closest the Moon could have been was about 7,300 miles above Earth's surface, 1/20th its present distance -- any closer, and the tides created on it by Earth would have ripped the Moon apart, turning it into a ring. This limit on the Moon's distance is consistent with the theory of how our satellite formed. "


    i'll finish replying after i get back from work at like 8pm central time.

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    the point of that post was not to directly prove what you said wrong but to back up what i said (no thats not facetious) you asked what sources i had for what i said in post 182 and i replied by getting links to back up what i said. the supervolcano came from that as its the only thing in the Earth Moon system capable of affecting the world climate so drastically, so did the evidence about the amount of time the moons slows us down by and the difference it will make in the future as opposed to how it did in the past, the Milankovitch cycle i know about that was not to say you were wrong its to say that the moon does not affect the weather which is what YOU said and i called bullshit on. as for the first two under lined quotes i have no quarrel with that (i know the earth wobbles thats why the Ice age things were up there. to show that the wobble is what causes the ice ages and the moon has nothing to do with the wobble. youre arguing that the moon is the cause of the wobble (the milankovitch THEORY) and im saying that its not. Adonai and Digital_Eon already argued against that already and in addition i don't see anything about what you were saying there either so thats imo a moot point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuce22 View Post
    OH YEAH, i know what could potentially kill us too!!! I completely forgot this, but the moon!! The moon moves away from earth at about an inch or so per year. And after a certain amount of time, it will be far enough from us, that VERY LITTLE, if any gravitational affect on us. That would cause earth to be out of control, since infact the moon is wat keeps us stabilized on our axis. (the axis being the 23 1/2 degrees that we are always at). But when the moon is too far to have an effect anymore, we would wobbly spin about. Making earth uninhabitable, due to exessively massive storms and extreme weather patterns. =D but that wont be in any of our life times.
    and I searched this out to and the moon has NO EFFECT on Earths weather. like said above the only thing in the Earth Moon system capable of the event in red is a Supervolcanic Caldera.
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