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    where is a need for a root account on ubuntu ??... after all, it is advised to not make things as root unless it is necessary, which is not that often..
    => i use ubuntu and am happy with it (don't need root account)

    maybe i'll try debian someday, but that's it ^^"

    ps : it's mandriva, not menerva (unless the second exists and i don't know about it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shautieh View Post
    where is a need for a root account on ubuntu ??... after all, it is advised to not make things as root unless it is necessary, which is not that often..
    => i use ubuntu and am happy with it (don't need root account)

    maybe i'll try debian someday, but that's it ^^"
    Hum... my understanding was that ALL BUT Ubuntu require you to make a root account. I know fedora does.

    Ubuntu is weird. Technicaly it does have a root account as some files have root level permissions. This is the entire point of the sudo command. So it has root, but doesn't have a root account. In it's design, no it does not need one.

    OK, you've struck my pet peave on this, so here it goes... you ever try running windows from your desktop with a user account? It's god damn near impossible. Yes, it's the right thing to do, but you get so annoyed so fast. You have to do something, you need to switch to the admin account, then switch back. Linux corrects this with su, su -, and sudo commands to gain temporary root access. This is usually all you need.

    Now, if your on this windows box and you have to do some heavy maintainance, do you log in as the user, then switch to admin, do something, go back to user and check, do the next thing, go back to user, next, user, next, user, etc.? Hell no! You log in as the admin, get it done, then go check everything if it's not something you can check as the admin anyway.

    So, if I got a lot of system maintainace to do, I'm not going to keep sudo'ing in for each and every little thing. It's so much easier for me to switch sessions with ctrl+alt+<F1-F6> and log in as root at runlevel 3. It's quick and easy to flash back and forth if I absolutly need to, which I usually don't, and my user desktop remains undisturbed. Also, this way I'm certian that anything I do as root, I own everything... I don't ever have to check a file, 'Oh shit, I don't own that, time to sudo...' and have to switch. I can just get shit done.

    One of the main concerns with Linux today is 'it's not ready for the desktop'... that's what Ubuntu and Kbuntu addresses. They are User's destros first and formost, in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with that. However, because it does not include a root account, and is therefore different from every other linux distrobution out there, even the one's that run a Shell only, I do not believe it is sutible for one that truly want's to learn, full blown, innerworkings, what-does-this-button-do, learn Linux. For the typical and average user, it's amazing. They did a great job.

    Nothing against Ubuntu, it's just not something I'll be using.

    *VI kicks the hell out of eMacs though.*

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    ps : it's mandriva, not menerva (unless the second exists and i don't know about it)
    Yeah, yeah... I could spell it when it was Mandrake, cut me some slack. :P
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    mode troll on : VI may beat Emacs, but even notepad2 is better than the 2 altogether


    about ubuntu and root, i never experienced other ways of doing things, but it's really more simple that you think :
    - you want to use a command or 2 => "sudo <commands>"
    - you want to do more => "sudo su" => you are logged in as root
    (well in fact, as far as i understood things, the account you create when you install ubuntu IS considered as an account with a root capability, so maybe "sudo su" doesn't even exist in other distrib (though i think so ), i don't know)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shautieh View Post
    mode troll on : VI may beat Emacs, but even notepad2 is better than the 2 altogether
    If you want to go graphical, then I'll take gvim.

    Quote Originally Posted by shautieh
    about ubuntu and root, i never experienced other ways of doing things, but it's really more simple that you think :
    - you want to use a command or 2 => "sudo <commands>"
    - you want to do more => "sudo su" => you are logged in as root
    (well in fact, as far as i understood things, the account you create when you install ubuntu IS considered as an account with a root capability, so maybe "sudo su" doesn't even exist in other distrib (though i think so ), i don't know)
    I just use 'su' and 'su -'. Yes it works, but it drives me up the fuck'n wall. Unless Ubuntu changed something, any user can sudo into a SuperUser root level access... just need to know the administrator's password.

    Fedora has an auto-su that I use most of the time. If I want to update or install a program right quick (a packaged program... not one from source), then I just open Yum Extender and it asks me to enter the administrator's password. Do that, it say ok, sends mail to the mailserv for the root account that I sudo'd and lets me go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volvogga View Post
    If you want to go graphical, then I'll take gvim.
    for non graphical, i would take nano
    it is a painless editor

    Quote Originally Posted by Volvogga View Post
    any user can sudo into a SuperUser root level access... just need to know the administrator's password.
    I guess so, but this password is the one of the first account you create at the installation ;o (i doubt we can change it without changing the main account password, but why not ^^)


    anyway, you seem to like fedora a lot
    most people i know prefer debian/gentoo, but i'm sure fedora is not bad ;p

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    Fedora's ok... it's well supported, but like I said it's bleeding edge, so it's normal packages are right up there (if not more unstable) with the debian experimentals... so there is some error introduced into it.
    Meh it works.

    But are you telling me your user account and root password are the same thing?
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    the root password is the password of my main account (the account i created at the installation)
    => ex :
    my account : shautieh
    my password : Narcisse

    if i want to make "sudo rm -r /", when it asks for my password, i type "Narcisse"
    => that's why i was saying that the primary account is more or less a root account, with the privileges off by default...


    ps : i think we have made the other users flee XD

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    <<oh, I don't know that a linux thread exists in ST....maybe I was stuck at the manga section......XD>>

    Fedora is a good distro, but sometimes my Fed machine won't work..Core 5, is it stable enough?...or is it my machine?? <<shrug>> or is it GRuB playing stupid?? Makes me switching back to Windows faster than I can say "UNCLE!"
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