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    Neither side should be right or wrong, since either way, there are people who are hurt and they will never feel right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Right now I'd say Palestine for three reasons:

    1) Israel took over their land in 1967.
    2) Very few developed nations want to recognize their legitimately elected government.
    3) Palestine hasn't tried to invade other countries.

    Neither are right in their actions - killing people is bad, duh - but it's easier to feel sorry for the one who isn't coming out on top (and who doesn't have nukes).

    Oh yeah... 4) If you make friends, the bully could nuke them.

    Note the fact that I said neither are RIGHT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikido View Post
    1) ummm... England, the US, and many other nations (I forget if the UN was involved) GAVE them Israel. It was not TAKEN by who you call Israel.
    It was given to them in 1948 or so. They took over more land - what was Palestine - in 1967. I support a two-state solution, after all.

    2) This is just wrong. Israel has majority support in the UN.
    I meant Palestine, not Israel.

    3) Why would they? I don't particularly think that Israel is invading other countries in a landgrab. Why would they give concessions to Palestinians on a regular basis?
    Not necessarily a landgrab, and I concede that Palestine can hardly invade anything else, but to their credit they haven't gone into another country for war purposes. See Lebanon.

    I also disagree that it is clear that Israel is coming out on top. They both commit atrocities, which causes the other to do something in response, continuing into forever.
    Neither of them are doing well in that sense. They're continuing a cycle that is destructive for both countries, and Israel can't nuke Palestine for obvious reasons. Still, they've got nukes, and that tends to make people wary. Whether that's going to have an effect on countries that don't like Israel remains to be seen (although it's a deterrent for Iran, etc. from nuking them).

    I am in favour of having Israel. Admittedly, I have a hard time seeing it as a specifically Jewish state - you don't see people of Jewish heritage saying they're Israeli, right? - but I still believe it should exist as a country. However, I don't think they have the right to say that the land was given to them by God and therefore the Palestinians don't have the right to live there. They've been living there for centuries. I really wish they could just make peace and get to that two-state solution that's been talked about for years. *sigh*

    Jewish people are cool, really. Most of my favourite comedians are Jewish (and I give comedians respect. It's not easy to be a good one). They've got charisma. I find it amazing how much the government (of Canada... and the US too, I guess) work to make them happy despite being a minority. It's amazing.

    By the way.... Georgia is currently facing ethnic cleansing from Russians. Poor Georgians.
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    Read teh rules. Don't advertise

    I feel sorry for palestine, probably because of the news, and I know alot of palestinians.
    Last edited by dna2playboy; 11-28-2006 at 08:09 PM. Reason: i screwed up

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    I don't really think this is a personal thing. I think that, one on one, Jews and Palestinians can get along, and quite well. I've read many, many things to that effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Not necessarily a landgrab, and I concede that Palestine can hardly invade anything else, but to their credit they haven't gone into another country for war purposes. See Lebanon.
    What do you call what they are doing now?

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    Palestine and Israel have a land dispute. I was talking about invasions of countries for other reasons, like the war with Lebanon (Hezbollah) this summer.
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    What a topic, I remember aruging about this in middle school. Never made much friends in middle school lol.

    Palestine has gone into other countries for war purposes. They use neighboring countries as bases for their attacks. Also along with the fact that they can't invade anyone because all of the neighboring countries are supporting them in some way or another.
    In 1967, well it was a war. To the victors go the spoils. Not like they could have settled it out diplomatically or not.

    It's only suspected that Israel has nukes, its not an outright fact...yet.
    Last edited by Hanul; 11-28-2006 at 08:48 PM.

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    No, Hanul, it's a fact that Israel has nukes. The unknowns are how many and when they tested them and stuff like that. They definitely have nukes.
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    These are my sources

    Quote Originally Posted by Nuclear Weapon Archive
    Israel has never admitted possessing nuclear weapons, but abundant information is available showing that the capability exists.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nuclear_states
    Also along with
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    The Israeli government refuses to officially confirm or deny that it has a nuclear weapon program,
    Quote Originally Posted by palestinefacts
    Israel has never admitted a nuclear capability, but defense analysts have concluded that Israel has the most extensive and sophisticated nuclear arsenal outside of the major powers.
    It's only suspected and believed untill Israel themselves say that they have them. I mean we all know that they most definately do have nuclear weapons. But its all just believing and suspected untill they themselves admit it. You can conclude and believe all you want, even wit hthe facts, unless they admit it, theres always the possibly(even if its the lowest percentage) that theyre wrong.
    Last edited by Hanul; 11-28-2006 at 09:10 PM.

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