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    Well for world war one.The outcome really was a mistake in my opinion,Change it as to where they actually have a truce,along with a Germany that isnt humilitated, as opposed to a humiliated Germany which led to the rise of Adolf Hitler.
    American Revolution,It could have ended without any bloodshed,seeing as how GB was offering the Americans what they wanted except freedom in the beginning,but then the Americans did some stuff and it turned into a little revolution.
    Battle of Osaka,is a battle that sort of fascintes me,what if the Tokugawa lost?Then another clan would rule Japan,but that would definately change the history of Japan,seeing as how the new clan would probably have a different view then the Tokugawa.
    Perry's arrival in Tokyo Bay,well not in most of that.I'm mostly talking about what happened after.If what happened in China happened in Japan,there probably wouldn't be any Japanese imperialism and genocide/holocaust caused by the Japanese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai View Post
    Since history doesn't necessarily have to refer to past events, I would chose to prevent my death, which since it is a fluid event will prevent me from dying.


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    It could have ended without any bloodshed,seeing as how GB was offering the Americans what they wanted except freedom in the beginning,but then the Americans did some stuff and it turned into a little revolution.


    That's not how I was taught...

    Last I checked... it started with something called "no taxation without representation" which was an aftermath of that French/Indian War.

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    Yeah it was like that,but later on Parliament offered the Americans everything they wanted except turning into their own little country.(this was before the battle of bunker hill.)Except,I think it was the French,Thomas Jefferson,and one of the Madisons that kept the flames of ill feeling alive.
    Plus the revolutionaires were only a minority.And whats worse was that they didnt want to pay taxes for their own defense.The British in England faced a worse stamp act then the colonists and the colonists where whining about it like little kids.The colonists didn't want to pay any takes that they should have paid for(like for their own defense and protection from Native American raids).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    Yeah it was like that,but later on Parliament offered the Americans everything they wanted except turning into their own little country.(this was before the battle of bunker hill.)Except,I think it was the French,Thomas Jefferson,and one of the Madisons that kept the flames of ill feeling alive.
    Plus the revolutionaires were only a minority.And whats worse was that they didnt want to pay taxes for their own defense.The British in England faced a worse stamp act then the colonists and the colonists where whining about it like little kids.The colonists didn't want to pay any takes that they should have paid for(like for their own defense and protection from Native American raids).
    Wow.

    I have no idea where/how you learned all these things about Americans, but there is NO WAY Britian gave them "everything they wanted"

    To make matters worse,
    Britian placed
    1) Stamp Act
    2) Sugar Act
    3) Townshend Act

    more and more... but the textbook only taught us 4 important ones..

    All these "taxation without representation" Parliament didn't give a shit about the colonists. They were only concerned about making money to pay back for the French/Indian War. Parliament planned on getting this money back by taxation the shit out of them--- and there was nothing the colonist could do about it.

    Oh.. and of course a thing called the "Boston Massacre" made people hate Britian more.

    Obviously Americans hated Britain. A little something called "Boston Tea Party" resulted afterwards.

    Britain responded with another act. The worse was nicknamed the Intolerable Acts. This act pretty much
    1) forced all Britian soldiers to be tried in a court back in Britain. AKA British soldiers would always be found innocent. There was no longer justice in America.
    2) forced Mass to pay for tea and shut its harbor. Ultimately, they wanted to cripple Mass economy.
    3) forced the Quartering Act which made Americans pay for (1) shelter and (2) food for these soldiers. Americans had no use for these soldiers and obviously didn't want them around. The soldiers also abused their priveleges and forced colonists into letting them in their homes.
    4) killed Mass's personal government.

    ...

    More anger occured. More tension. More meetings. More people (12 out of 13 colonies I think agreed now...)

    Oh..

    and you can't forget Lexington & Concord-- shots heard around the world.

    There's a lotttttttt more that led to the American Revolution than as you would say "flames of ill feeling alive."

    p.s. That was done mostly from memory. yay ^__^

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    Quartering act...No they wanted the Americans to build a barracks for them.What kind of commander whats his men spread out thin instead of in a group?The only quartering that was really done in the hoems were the officers.
    Ok I found the passage,Parliament offered everything the colonists wanted,aka homerule after the defeat at Saratoga in 1777.the French offered the colonists the same thing along with independence.
    Also the colonists where a little prejudiced,especialyl with the Quebec Act and the Canadians.

    And well feelings of ill feelign alive,I'm talking mostly about the Commitees of Correspondence.
    Also a few of the Acts were passed in resposne to smuggling.Ironic how back in Colonial America,they basically protested for smuggling as much as they wanted,but today its illegal.,One of the founding fathers, John Hancock was nick named the king of smugglers.

    Also Massachusetts had that ship in its harbor,it should have been protected by Mass. Or atleast guarded.Also the royal governors where pretty much poor, since they either had to listen to the government or not get any pay.So yeah the Mass govt was changed,since now the local legislation had to listen to the Royal Governor,or atleast hear his opinion instead of just shutting him out.But if you see,the Americans used alot of force to get it their way,like a bunch of little brats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    Ok I found the passage,Parliament offered everything the colonists wanted,aka homerule after the defeat at Saratoga in 1777.the French offered the colonists the same thing along with independence.
    But.. that only happened AFTER the war. AFTER they lost. And when you lose, of course you do whatever your enemy says because you have no choice.

    Before the war, Parliament treated the colonists like their little doggies.

    To get what you want between two opposing powers and diplomacy is not an option... the only possible solution is war.

    Colonists needed the American Revolution for independence.

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    One of the founding fathers, John Hancock was nick named the king of smugglers.

    Wtf? Who said that?

    Here he is known as "the guy with the freakishly too-large signature on the Declaration of Independence"

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    Also a few of the Acts were passed in resposne to smuggling

    O_O

    Smuggling what? Hiding what from who?

    That makes no sence.

    Smuggling is a response and a consequence from the acts. Smugglers are avoiding the law. The law was "we will tax you." So obviously smuggling resulted from the laws. It's a simple cause and response.

    Britain => cause unjust taxes

    colonists => respond with smuggling/boycotts/ect.

    Britain was the cause of smuggling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    Yeah it was like that,but later on Parliament offered the Americans everything they wanted except turning into their own little country.(this was before the battle of bunker hill.)Except,I think it was the French,Thomas Jefferson,and one of the Madisons that kept the flames of ill feeling alive.
    Plus the revolutionaires were only a minority.And whats worse was that they didnt want to pay taxes for their own defense.The British in England faced a worse stamp act then the colonists and the colonists where whining about it like little kids.The colonists didn't want to pay any takes that they should have paid for(like for their own defense and protection from Native American raids).
    I also disagree Hanul. I will even grant you your above statement. This still leaves America as a colony, which, economically/socially/politically, (according to the other causal mechanisms and levels of analysis), really sets a state back. One need only look to India for a case study. India is JUST NOW becoming a major player in world affairs.

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    It wasnt really a revolution though.Only difference was no king.Even after the war,the colonies didnt want to create taxes.

    Plus stamp act was basically the equivalent to the federal sales tax we have today.Sugar act was a taxation on luxary items.Townshed acts was taxation on tea,glass and paper.

    Plus what about Pontiac's Rebellion that happened about 10 years before the American Revolution?The soldiers were needed to make sure that nothing like Pontiac's rebellion happened ever again.Plus the acts were to pay back the debt for the French and Indian war yes.But where was it fought?In North America,near the colonies/at the colonies.So then the colonies relied on British troops to defend them.The British troops won the war and gained for the colonists alot of new land to settle in.So why cant they be paid back by taxing those that they protected/helped/gave more land to settle in?

    Aikido,India is just now.But then give the American Colonies lasting maybe for another 100 years.That will still completely change history.America migh have been many different little states.Texas,California, and the other border states might still belong to Mexico/Spain.Canada might have expanded down to Spanish California/Mexican California.It would have been a completely different country from the one who know of today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul View Post
    It wasnt really a revolution though.Only difference was no king.Even after the war,the colonies didnt want to create taxes.
    Stop making me shiver.

    Your knowledge of history is disturbing me.

    Let's see... Supreme Court, Congress made up of a Senate and a House of Representative, an Executive branch.

    Declaration of Independence.

    Articles of Confederacy(?)

    And a soon to be Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    Many changes happened.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hanul
    Plus what about Pontiac's Rebellion that happened about 10 years before the American Revolution?The soldiers were needed to make sure that nothing like Pontiac's rebellion happened ever again.Plus the acts were to pay back the debt for the French and Indian war yes.But where was it fought?In North America,near the colonies/at the colonies.So then the colonies relied on British troops to defend them.The British troops won the war and gained for the colonists alot of new land to settle in.So why cant they be paid back by taxing those that they protected/helped/gave more land to settle in?
    Key words: "No Taxation without Representation"

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    How did this thread turn into an APUSH thread?



 

 
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