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    Default Sixteen Common Myths About Atheists

    yep, i return with a bang... controversy for the win.


    what really gets me is that Christianity is the only religion whos TRUE sole purpose seems to be only to get larger.


    hai hai CPR!!! didja miss me???

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    1. Atheists hate Christians and Christianity. No, we don’t. Personally, I do hate the atrocities that have been committed in the name of religion, the dishonesty of most religions, and the way that they encourage people not to think or question, and not to trust or use their minds. But I don’t dislike someone just because of their religion.

    It's pretty arrogant of him to refer to atheists with 'I'. Is he the entirety or the whole? No? Then he's wrong. Also never deal with absolutes, so say 'most atheists' and not just 'atheists'.

    2. Most atheists started out as Christians, and stopped believing because of some bad experience with other Christians. Or maybe we simply started to question, to wonder what happened when we applied the standards of logic, reason and burden of proof to religion, as we already did to everything in our lives. Or, perhaps, we were never believers at all. It happens, you know.

    More of this absolute crap. Next.

    3. Atheists have no sense of morality, since morality comes from God. Ah, the old “without fear of hell, there would be nothing to stop people from being bloodthirsty monsters” argument. It may come as a surprise to most Christians, but there are reasons for being “good” other than fear of punishment - which isn’t really a reason, anyway, and only shows Christians in a very bad light. Reasons like human empathy, genuine feelings for others, and, most importantly, rational principles. Behaving yourself just because daddy will spank you otherwise does not make you a nice child.

    He has a pretty skewed understanding of morality. Kinda shows his stupidity really. If one follows the norms of society, one is moral. Simple as that. Morality is a cultural thing and is always governed by the majority, not the minority.
    Also, it's pathetic and naive how he argues that all Christians only do good out of fear.

    4. Atheists are a unified group, like a church. Are we? I must have missed the memo, then. If anything, I’d say atheists are more diverse than Christians, because we’re less “sheep-like”, and don’t accept things on faith, or from authority.

    *points to various Christian sects*

    Also, when people use the term 'sheep' to refer to something else other than the animal in an argument, I kinda laugh at them. >_____>

    5. Atheists actually know, deep inside, that there’s a God, as that’s perfectly obvious; they are simply too proud and arrogant to admit the existence of something greater than themselves. Not exactly. You see, the existence of a god is only “obvious” if you’ve been brainwashed (either by others, or by your own irrationality) into believing it. We are truly convinced that there’s no god, and are not in denial. Really. I’m serious.

    Which is why Agnostics > Atheists.

    6. Atheists don’t really know anything about Christianity. Again, it depends. Some certainly know more than others. However, religion is so ubiquitous that, like it or not, we’ve all had varying degrees of contact with it, with its teachings, and with believers. Besides, a lot of atheists are naturally curious. I, myself, have read the Christian Bible - more than once, in fact. Now, dear believer, ask yourself how many atheist books, magazines or essays you have read. Oh, I forgot, they’re all the work of Satan.

    There's that myth that all Christians are conservative blokes still living in the middle ages.


    7. Atheists’ lives are cold and empty, as they can’t feel the joy and love that comes only from God. Really? I’d never call my life “cold” or “empty” - I have the joys of friendship, love, family, and doing the things I love to do. And, what’s more, I’m self-sufficient, unlike anyone who says “I don’t know how anyone could live without God in their lives” - as many Christians do.

    Refer to 7.

    8. Atheists are depressive and nihilistic, since they believe there’s nothing after death, and therefore there’s no point to anything. On the contrary, we, unlike you, know how precious life is, because we’re aware that it’s our only one. And, this may come as a shock to you, but we can love our lives, we can feel the joy of being alive, because we don’t believe that “this is the devil’s world”, or that “this is just a test before the real thing”. Life is precious, and it’s our own - not any god’s.


    Refer to 7.


    9. Atheists are cold and uncaring. No, we are not. Having delusions doesn’t make anyone more “caring”. And, again, we treat life as precious, and do what we can to improve it, both ours and that of our loved ones. On the other hand, many Christians believe life is suffering, and that there’s nothing we can do about it.


    Refer to 7.

    10. Atheists are arrogant. What, because we dare to use our minds instead of asking “who are we to know”? No, we’re not.

    No, that's not a myth. It's actually very true as proven by this list.


    11. Atheists want to forbid religious worship. Wrong. We just don’t want to be harmed by it. Want to believe in God, Jesus, Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy? Be my guest. Want to teach your kids to do the same? I feel sorry for them, but it will still take many years until people realize how crippling one’s reason in childhood is like a bird crippling its offspring’s wings. (*) Want to give all your money to a guy with a Lexus and a bad haircut? Fine. But don’t try to “save” me, don’t harass me in the street or at my home, don’t get politicians to enact laws to give power to you, don’t try to teach your religion in science classes by dishonestly giving it a new name and disguising it as “science”, and don’t use my tax money to write your idiocies in public places. In short, do as you want, as long as you keep it to yourself - just like I don’t go to your place trying to un-convert you.

    But what is the purpose of this list?

    12. Atheists are incapable of feeling awe at simple things, like a beautiful sunset, as they see everything in terms of cold science, instead of miracles. Ah, unweaving the rainbow - the idea that beauty and poetry only exist if we know little to nothing about how things work. But I ask you: does the fact that you know about astronomy, physics and light make the sunset any less beautiful? Was it beautiful only because it seemed “magical” - or “an act of god” - to you?

    Don't know where this came from.

    13. Atheists live their lives in constant fear of death. Few people actually want to die - those that do are either depressed and suicidal, or are Christians who believe that the world is evil, “please, Lord Jesus, take me”, and all that. A reasonable fear of death is perfectly natural. Also, we may believe that this life “is it”, which makes us treat it as precious, but, at least, we don’t think that there’s a chance of going to a place where you burn and are tortured for eternity…

    Didn't he already cover this in a previous number? That's cheating. This should be just top 15 common myths.


    14. Most criminals are atheists (or, alternatively, the percentage of atheists among criminals is higher than among the general populace). Oddly enough, the opposite is true.

    Well, I've never heard of this one until today, but I guess if someone actually said it and it's not made up, then yes, I agree that it is not true.


    15. Atheists are stubborn and closed-minded. Not unless you define “closed-minded” like this. But, as Ebon said, Ask any believer what would convince him he was mistaken and persuade him to leave his religion and become an atheist, and if you get a response, it will almost invariably be, “Nothing - I have faith in my god.” Although such people may well exist, I personally have yet to meet a theist who would acknowledge even the possibility that his belief was in error. Many theists, by their own admission, structure their beliefs so that no evidence could possibly disprove them. Atheists, on the other hand, are easy to convince - all it requires is for God to show himself in some unfakeable way - say, for instance, by doing any of the many things he supposedly did in the Old Testament…

    And people who believe in a Higher Being just want atheists to prove them wrong or shut up.

    16. Atheists make bad parents. Again, there are good and bad atheist parents, and good and bad Christian parents. Atheist parents, however, would never do what Abraham was about to do to his son Isaac (and Christians see Abraham’s behavior as laudable!), because, to most atheists, our lives are our own. In fact, even if there was a God, it would not follow that our lives are his.

    I do believe that atheists would make bad parents.

    Hey dad, when is Santa coming?

    There is no Santa Claus. Have some coal.

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    Nihilists > you.

    We aren't about the same thing.
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    I'm sorry to say this, but I have to side with AKofC on this.

    And I'm sorry to say that because... I am athiest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKofC
    7. Atheists’ lives are cold and empty, as they can’t feel the joy and love that comes only from God. Really? I’d never call my life “cold” or “empty” - I have the joys of friendship, love, family, and doing the things I love to do. And, what’s more, I’m self-sufficient, unlike anyone who says “I don’t know how anyone could live without God in their lives” - as many Christians do.

    Refer to 7.

    8. Atheists are depressive and nihilistic, since they believe there’s nothing after death, and therefore there’s no point to anything. On the contrary, we, unlike you, know how precious life is, because we’re aware that it’s our only one. And, this may come as a shock to you, but we can love our lives, we can feel the joy of being alive, because we don’t believe that “this is the devil’s world”, or that “this is just a test before the real thing”. Life is precious, and it’s our own - not any god’s.


    Refer to 7.


    9. Atheists are cold and uncaring. No, we are not. Having delusions doesn’t make anyone more “caring”. And, again, we treat life as precious, and do what we can to improve it, both ours and that of our loved ones. On the other hand, many Christians believe life is suffering, and that there’s nothing we can do about it.


    Refer to 7.
    I don't understand 7 sir.

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    AKofC you make me giggleshit =]

    did you know that your response for number 7 is "refer to 7"??? (edit: DVTD noticed it as well i see)

    i guess he wouldnt be talking about all atheists in that sentence but only himself. and since he is not all atheist then "I" would be the correct term instead of "most atheists"... although i do concede those are pretty common reasons for atheism.

    actually number 2 is the absolute truth.... note his use of the term "most atheists"

    based on your definition of morality then the christian majority is by definition of principle of being christian deeming anyone who doenst belive in their cause immoral (which is 110% true) therefore demonizing Atheists as immoral because of their disbelief in the Christian God. its a circle baby a big fucking circle...

    even thinking about considering the thought of pretending that in some alternate universe the idea of there being a true christian (not those pussy on the fence christians with thier undecided ideals and wishy-washy beliefs that really make sense if your three different people...) who can accept the thought of thier religion being wrong in any way shape form or fashion... i mean the fucking universe would implode... chances of that are like looking for a black man named Todd... you know it probably exists but youve never seen one for yourself and you know you never will.

    as someone who grew up learning that if it was not directly related to the hand of God then it was the hand of Satan i find it easy to relate... if you think that todays christians dont think that way then i have three words for you Stem Cell Research.

    i LOVE when people ask me “I don’t know how anyone could live without God in their lives” makes me want to just pass out and go to the hospital and tell the doctors "I ALMOST DIED FROM A LACK OF JESUS!!!"

    is there anything more arrogant than a group of people who openly say if you do not join us then you are the embodiment of evil and will be eternally damned for your heresy??? no seriously is there??? didnt think so.

    the purpose of this list is to write an evicerating note to all the fundamentalists out there with their constant ragging and rumormongering and slandering of people who do not believe in their ideals. i mean God forbid that someone actually have their OWN ideas and follow them... oh wait apparently that IS the case!!!

    13 is just a common myth about Atheists... a stupid one but still common nonetheless.

    the definition of a religion is to its followers an infallible series of events that could not be wrong in any possible way. whos ideals are perfect in their existance and completely ironclad in thier desires. to merely impose the thought of wrongdoing or falsities happening in a sacred document would completely destroy the foundation of the religion and therefore obliterating its base. basically if i were to say Jesus was a woman and prove it, then Christianity as we know it would be no more...

    in closing my mother two christmases ago gave me a lump of coal with two horrifying words inscribed on it... "From Santa"... that heretic bitch... and as a Apathetic Agnostic i find your argument to be more mudslinging on the part of close minded zealots who as always refuse to entertain the possiblity of their being anything wrong with them or what they do in the name of God... [/end SarCasM]
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    Refering to 7 basically sends you into a vortex that sends you into a vortex that sends you into a vortex, well you get the idea. And that is all I have to say to that. Too depressed with Vagina.

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    wow, that was a load of bull, the stuff in bold that is. Its true that most of the myths are fake, at least such gereralisations are stupid, but the reasons gived are hopeless. The guy simply badmouth's christians for a while, i'm an athiest but i still respect them, and completely ignores the existence of other religions with different beliefs. Seriously, he is pitiful.

    PS when did santa rebecome a religious icon. he was demoted from that ages ago and most athiests do christmas anyway (pressssents)

    If it took Satan (who tricked God himself) to trick eve into eating the apple, and it took only eve to trick adam, surely man is the weaker sex. I think there are some theological points that the church must review.

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    that guy has a big impression of himself, and he's completely wrong.

    all i can do is laugh at the rediculousness of his statements. I am an atheist, but i'm at least REASONABLE about it...

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    lol.... atheists these days

    @akofc : you were courageous on that one, that idiot was not even worth reading ^^"

 

 
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