are you by any chance of chinese origin?Originally Posted by MojoMunkeez
are you by any chance of chinese origin?Originally Posted by MojoMunkeez
Meshal, it's not just one animal, it's alot of animals, and it's animal cruelty. believe me, I care about 1000 people getting killed in lebanon, I have family there, but that doesn't mean I can't be disgusted or outraged over what I'm seeing these people do.
People who hunt for "pleasure" are really no different than people who kill others for pleasure. In the end, they're both killing living breathing things for pleasure, and are sick sadists.
Anyone who supports such acts of needless brutality and animal cruelty has some issues. What's there not to hate? Maybe people should deflate their heads a little and realize that they aren't the only ones on this planet, and aren't the only ones that matter or deserve to live.
^Me after watching Spirited Away, because I discovered the best movie ever!
Random but good advice: Play Metal Slug.
What does that have to do with anything?Originally Posted by bbqRus
sigh again with this topic of morals
guys everyone have morals. Dont even dare tell me you dont because frikin everyone knoes right from wrong and thats a frikin moral principle in its self. And if u dont frikin no right from wrong then ur pyschotic.
this is the "religious/optomistic" pespective...
if you're christian you believe that the purpose of life is to glorify God. People believe me the bible has alot of wisdom whether you believe it or not. Dont just read the bible but try to understand the depth of the meaning.
But wat i learn from the bible is that all of us have morals whether we like it or not. All of us are created by God so we do not have the right to end the life of one of God's creation. Thats a sin in itself. This also pertains to suicide. The bible says that "your body is not your own, it was bought at a price" *theres more to this, its just that i dont want people flaming my buttocks because i was preaching* this is not preaching this is simply sharing my ideas -____-
alrite this is one perspective
another perspective would be *pessemistic/cynical* generally in that area
scientifically we learn that all living thing's function is to reproduce.. Have you ever wondered why in the world humans are the only one who are intelligent beings? After all the other animals have the same capabillities as us... is it because that the extent of the evolutionary growth cannot compare with ours?... but darwin and biology teaches us
NATURAL SELECTION, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST
actually science teaches us that life is actually depressing.... once you reproduce...... u fuffill ur role in the environment....then you die.. and disintegrate with the ground.
survival of the fittest.. teaches us that who ever has better adaptations to its environment...they survive O_o and all those who do not have favorable adaptations do not ...simple huh
NOW LETS SEE HERE ANIMALS AND HUMANS COEXIST? is that called mutualism? hell yes because we both benefit from each other... do we both survive... hell yes because its proven statistically....
but does that mean that we are allowed to abuse animals? hell no
but then again people u have to reconsider this WE KILL ANIMALS ALL THE TIME .....for food. why? because we want it....we dont need it...but we want it...is it a necessity?...hell no.
so the abuse of animals is caused by man's innate desire of self gratification.
which leads me to conclude that wat ive written up there was completely pointless!!! but it was very entertaining
but seriously guys animal abuse is wrong
for those who think that it isnt wrong....
step back and look at the bigger picture... humans abusing animals, humans killing animals... now whose wrong?.....from the animals perspective...are you going to say....yes the humans are doing the right thing because we are inferior beings.......
so calm down take a deep breath and step back and look at the bigger picture.
sorry dudes but i have to frikin double post
what many of u guys dont realize is that some of what
GHOST says are true...
what you guys dont realize is that killing an animal is just as bad as eating a killing an animal that someone else murdered..... if you cant accept this fact then you happen to be narrow minded
so GHOST can hold it against you guys who eat animals......that you guys shouldnt even be arguing about animal abuse
because you guys are abusing/disrespecting the animal by eating its meat that was slaughtered by some guy....
but what you guys dont realize is that humans from birth have desires. Man's nature is sinful agree?
we are all selfish, we all crave for something, we all lust, so forth. but weve done these things so many times that we dont even realize that its wrong anymore....why?
because you are only focused on satisfying yourself which is part of cynical beliefs. the belief that everyone is motivated by self interest (for those who are that uneducated)
what im saying is that....how can a liar teach you about integrity ? how can a murderer teach you how to save? How can people who eat animals meat defend the abuse of animals?
dont get me wrong i also believe that the abuse of animals are wrong.. but u guys have to understand
the basis of what ghost is trying to say. remember wat i said in the last post
we all have to calm down and stop defending and arguing out of anger...instead we have to come here and display our different perspectives and be perceptive to which ideas seem to be right.
so lets not be hypocrites here but lets also not be proud here in thinking that we are the masters of the world... who are u kidding... can we stop nature? are we really the masters of the world? if you define master then it means a being that has complete control over something. when you master something that means you can completely understand and utilize that thing. so are we really masters of the earth ? hell no.
so lets all try to humble our selves a bit
Don't have time to adress remainder of the post.Originally Posted by fetus
hahahaha kaya u make me laugh in my embryo
thanks, most of that was serious though.
dude do u realize that your replies to my comments are all based on false evidence?
how can you even attack my religon without even understanding it first. do you know what the price means? do you really take everything literally? or do you not think that the bible can be capable of metaphors and similes. -____-.
"If a guy is born, with no sperm production, but can constantly regenerate, he is unfit, but he won't die. He will survive a very long time"
ur telling me that a organism that regenerates will never die? but then again you contradict yourself in saying that he will survive a very long time. If he wont die then doesnt that mean he will survive forever? so watch you're words carefully.
e.g. a worm can regenerate but does it die? a starfish it regenerates but does it die? yes to both of them
alrite my bad i was being unclear for the food part i meant the
"meat of the animals"
as i gaze upon your replies to my comments i realize that you keep on attaking me with my religon? are you christian? do you understand christianity to the full extent? if not then why are you even using it against me? cuz it appears to be more argumentative?.
dude dont use stuff in you're arguments that you dont understand. I read my bible and i know the bible alrite and you're here telling me that
you ,a skeptic, knoes more about the bible than me?
dude what the helll are u saying what kind of education did u receive
cuz your concept of biology has some serious mistakes in it
most of the replies that u made to my post was completely unnecessary..
for eg.."Yes, completely pointless, and untrue"
"So, not believing in a low self-esteem God is being pessemistic?"
"you aren't helping the situation"
"By what logic, except for that it contradicts your morals (aka your religion)"
"No, I never wondered it, because while we may be the most intelligent beings, that doesn't mean we are the only intelligent ones. Have you ever thought how much thinking it takes a baby octapous to control 8 legs at birth, in order to survive?"
"The "your body is not your own", so you are saying that a body that belongs to me, does not belong to me? "it was bought at a price", I don't remember paying for the body, and I don't remember anyone buying it from me."
"Yes, everyone has morals. Its just that people have different morals, as many of us don't believe in the absolute moral BS(from our perspective it is BS, I'm not saying it is a fact that absolute moral = BS). If people believed in the same morals, within the next 24 hours, I would own the entire planet."
dude all these comments are unnecessary and if you wish to find out ask me why and i will be happy to deliver an explanation..
do you know your biology? cause i know mine and what you're saying certainly conflicts with the knowledge i have of biology -________-
"Actually, this is more like parasitism. Us humans benefit, but overall, animals suffer. Or are you saying, that we are doing them a favor from the point of natural selection, of wiping them out? Cause we aren't. This is called parasitism."
first of all natural selection is what the environment chooses not us....my goodness wat does it mean if animals can still reproduce and live???? that means they are also selected by the environmenT!!! wat do u know!!! just because one organism have more favorable adaptations than another doesnt mean that they cannot also surivive in the environment.
are u seriously kidding me? you cant even think of one example in which an animal benefits from humans? are u serious!?!?! if you want me to name one i will be happy to in the next post which i know will come..
"Yes, in the case of killing, this desire for self gratification is also known as hunger. For the abuse, it is caused by stupidity, desire for fun, and incompetance to make most of it dead. However, on a lesser scale, this would help natural selection. It is just that we are doing it on too large a scale."
i hate to see how hunger seems to be more specific than self satisfication
-___- this sentence here is so unclear i cant even understand it. dude if you can prove to me that your intellect capabilities surpasses mine then i will comepletely submit to you. but seriously wat the hell wat u jsut wrote write there was as unclear as trying to see with a needle stuck in your eye.
for heavens sake what the hell are you talking about mann seriously
i cant stand this....people who dont understand biology T_T this is so ridiculous. wats even more ridiculous is that
you cant even percieve from the way of my writing that i was portraying two different perspectives -_______-
do you want me to prove the invalidity of your biology concepts? just to prove how much you dont know what you're talking about? or would you rather me explain why you shouldnt be arguing with me on
topics that you vaguely know about. topics concerning biology and religon -__________-
cuz if you want to i will show you how stupid you and the words you speak are
Last edited by fetus; 08-30-2006 at 08:36 PM.
my bad for double posting again -__- did it by accident
Last edited by fetus; 08-30-2006 at 08:21 PM.