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  • Pro-life - abortion is bad!

    10 16.13%
  • Pro-choice - Women have th right to abort!

    24 38.71%
  • Pro-life personal, pro-choice political

    5 8.06%
  • Anti-life/pro-abortion - Kill all the babies!

    5 8.06%
  • Pro-choice buts- Only if it is rape or could kill the mother.

    10 16.13%
  • Don't care...this is a womans thing

    8 12.90%
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    My opinion differs depending on the circumstances.

    First, I would like to say that while I do believe the unborn child is a person, I do not consider its death to be the worst thing. You may have noticed that I'm supportive of death if you've talked to me before. This is just a matter of me not believing death is the worst thing, life is important but not the most important, etc. You can't change my opinion on this.

    Now on to the debate. I believe fully in birth control for obvious reasons, including the morning-after pill. At that point the baby IS just a bunch of cells. It's not even attached to the uterus. Lots of babies don't ever grow because the cells never attach to the wall of the uterus. Also, I feel the pill is appropriate because it allows for closeness that the condom doesn't and doesn't have the annoying effects (side-effects and the fact that you have to take it EVERY DAY) of the regular birth-control pill.

    About rape: I believe that an abortion is okay with rape as long as it happens SOONER rather than later, especially if the mother is young. This can destroy her life, and it's not something she had any control over. Also, how can she be a good mother if she has serious mental trauma from the rape? Once the baby's a bit older, well no, time's up. For the first little while, okay.

    Other situations: If it's the mother or the child, save the mother. Someone's going to die, but the mother is affecting far more people: her family, her friends, her significant other, anyone else she knows. Yes, the child's life is important, but I believe that a child needs a mother (or one parent at least...) and that mother has an effect on many more people than the child.

    Adoption? NO. I remember having this conversation with CPR and (nothing personal here...) I didn't get the impression that she really knew the effects it has on a child. It is DEVASTATING. You grow up in a family that is not your own, is very different from you, and whom you just cannot have the same attachment to. Where is your personal identity? It may not seem like a big deal but it's really hard to live with - ask most adopted people. You don't have a family, because neither your birthfamily or your adopted family are close enough. It's hard.

    I would much rather not have lived than grow up in a bad situation. I would rather have not existed than grown up in a poverty-stricken single-parent home surrounded by drugs, gangs, and other children with problems. Perhaps some can turn out well in that situation... with my temperament I doubt it.

    I'm not emo. I'm not nearly suicidal or wishing to die. I am not, however, scared of death, and I can rationally look at the situation and ask "Would I rather be dead/nonexistant, or live and go on to injure/kill someone?". No, not everyone needs to do that, but consider the situation you might have lived in. I would rather die than kill someone unless I was saving yet another person's life. Whether that be from immediate danger or from saving them from a life that would cause many hardships and possibly lead to depression, other mental illnesses, and possible suicidal tendencies? Situational.

    Finally, genetic diseases are something I would abort a child for. Some diseases kill children early and cause great pain to them; why would I subject a child to that? Why would I cause years of pain just so they could live a little longer? I feel that is wrong... Not if they'll live a while, or live a normal lifespan without pain (I mean, if the child's going to have a difficult life in society but be otherwise healthy, it's wrong to kill them because they're different), but the disease itself has to be considered.

    All in all, I do not support abortion after a certain time. Choose as early as you can or not at all. Some situations make abortion more acceptable, but overall I feel the life is important - especially if you can take care of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    Adoption? NO. I remember having this conversation with CPR and (nothing personal here...) I didn't get the impression that she really knew the effects it has on a child. It is DEVASTATING. You grow up in a family that is not your own, is very different from you, and whom you just cannot have the same attachment to. Where is your personal identity? It may not seem like a big deal but it's really hard to live with - ask most adopted people. You don't have a family, because neither your birthfamily or your adopted family are close enough. It's hard.
    My little sister was adopted from Russia.

    She's a very happy person. She does well in all of her pursuits. She has none of the problems you describe.

    My father was also adopted. He's fine.

    Don't generalize adopted kids.

    As to the topic at hand...I fully support birth control. Abortion, condoms, morning after pill...all of it. It is necessary. The Vatican is full of shit.

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    hey DE.. you said you're not afraid of death 0.0 is that actually meant- like if you were in a hostage situation and they decided to kill you... wouldnt you be scared? i know id be shit scared if that happened to me
    and on the subject yeah all that other birth control stuff is nessecary. otherwise our planet would be seriously over populated. not that it isnt at the moment

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    Yeah, Quira, I wouldn't be scared. I mean, physically I would be; it's a natural reaction, but mentally I'm not scared at all.

    Cooler: The adopted kids I know are not happy. And trust me, I have the right to generalize. Not all kids have serious issues; I'll admit I was exaggerating but it's not easy, and I don't feel that you can say someone's fine unless you're one of them.
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    Well, I'll put my two cents in but can't be bothered going through all this again right now.

    Pro-choice.

    Mainly because I've seen mothers have unwanted children, and can't care for them, and end up hating them and giving them a shitty abused life. The kid might even get killed at the hands of her mother or the latest boyfriend of the week. And not necessarily through any real fault of her own, but just because she was not in a position where she was able to raise a child - mentally or otherwise.

    Even if the child lives, it grows up with a mother who hates it, because of the limitations it put on her. Who wants that life? And this is all quite aside from the mother's life being ruined. And of course you can say "well she should have thought about that before she went off and had kids", but if you think it can always be predicted, you're an idiot.

    And as for adopted kids, it very much depends on the kid and the adopted environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    Yeah, Quira, I wouldn't be scared. I mean, physically I would be; it's a natural reaction, but mentally I'm not scared at all.

    Cooler: The adopted kids I know are not happy. And trust me, I have the right to generalize. Not all kids have serious issues; I'll admit I was exaggerating but it's not easy, and I don't feel that you can say someone's fine unless you're one of them.
    I don't know any adopted kids who aren't happy, and I know quite a few. My sister's school has a very high rate of adopted kids, and I know her friends.

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    I wonder if that's only because that's a pretty decent school and naturally, all adopted kids there would have been taken into wonderful, well-balanced families? I'm not sure there are that many wonderful families to go around, especially if aborting is outlawed and everybody just recklessly abandons their kids and leave them to said families.

    Of course, this is just speculation. I don't know jack about the situation. But what if...?
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    I personally agree for the most part with CPR. Except he didnt mention that it is alright for abortion's if the mother was in danger.

    Also I have always thought that abortion was the killing of a living person that is in the whome (sorry if I misspelled that) and so its acully murder. And a person doesn't only have the one option to giving birth they could also give it up for adotion.

    I feal so strongly about this subject that when I talk about this subject I will never say pro-choice. I say anti-life or pro-death. Ive even gone as far as shuting people out of my life that have contributed to an abortion. Friends and family it doesn't matter to me people are dying here and all you ANTI-LIFE supporters condon it. Sorry for ranting on for so long.

    O yea and for all you jerks that says its the girls body let here do what she wants with it. NO ITS NOT!!!!! its the living human being insides body not the girls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    Now on to the debate. I believe fully in birth control for obvious reasons, including the morning-after pill. At that point the baby IS just a bunch of cells. It's not even attached to the uterus. Lots of babies don't ever grow because the cells never attach to the wall of the uterus. Also, I feel the pill is appropriate because it allows for closeness that the condom doesn't and doesn't have the annoying effects (side-effects and the fact that you have to take it EVERY DAY) of the regular birth-control pill.
    I don't have a problem with the pill. The egg isn't fertilized yet so there is no baby formed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    About rape: I believe that an abortion is okay with rape as long as it happens SOONER rather than later, especially if the mother is young. This can destroy her life, and it's not something she had any control over. Also, how can she be a good mother if she has serious mental trauma from the rape?
    Adoptions.

    Adoptions were formed for one parent who could not take care of a child (financial reasons, mental awareness reasons, psycological reasons, ect.) in order for another parent (who is loving enough) to take care of the child.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    Other situations: If it's the mother or the child, save the mother. Someone's going to die, but the mother is affecting far more people: her family, her friends, her significant other, anyone else she knows. Yes, the child's life is important, but I believe that a child needs a mother (or one parent at least...) and that mother has an effect on many more people than the child.
    For starters, very few people fall under this category. I told you last time: 90% of the time if the baby's heart is found, it will be a successful birth.

    Ninety is a pretty damn good successful rate. If you had a 90% chance to pass your finals, you'd take the finals. If you had a 90% chance to win at a gambling match, you'd take the odds. ect.

    Anyway...

    a normal mother would prefer to have her child to live and die sacrificing her life for the baby. There is a special love-bond connection that develops during the first nine months.

    Seriously, mothers miraculously somehow LOVE their baby after many PAINFUL hours of labor. Peculiar, right?

    Here's an article to better explain this:
    http://www.todaysparent.com/pregnanc...p?content=6157

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    Adoption? NO. I remember having this conversation with CPR and (nothing personal here...) I didn't get the impression that she really knew the effects it has on a child. It is DEVASTATING. You grow up in a family that is not your own, is very different from you, and whom you just cannot have the same attachment to. Where is your personal identity? It may not seem like a big deal but it's really hard to live with - ask most adopted people. You don't have a family, because neither your birthfamily or your adopted family are close enough. It's hard.
    You generalize adopted kids way too poorly.

    At college, I met a woman who came from a background of 12 brothers/sisters. She was adopted. Very poor background. Her parents worked blue-collar jobs in order to afford a living. Yet, this woman I is the happiest (and frightening EXTREMELY enthusiastic) woman I have ever met in my LIFE! I have NO idea how she gets so pumped up and energized at 7am.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    Finally, genetic diseases are something I would abort a child for. Some diseases kill children early and cause great pain to them; why would I subject a child to that? Why would I cause years of pain just so they could live a little longer? I feel that is wrong... Not if they'll live a while, or live a normal lifespan without pain (I mean, if the child's going to have a difficult life in society but be otherwise healthy, it's wrong to kill them because they're different), but the disease itself has to be considered.
    Let the strong live and kill the weak?

    Sounds... extremely elitist and primative.

    That's a horrible philosophy!

    What happened to "live the moment?"

    Let them have a chance to experience life! We are not the ones who should determine when to kill another person's life! We have no right to say "he is going to be mentally retarded so he doesn't deserve to live!" cause in an essence, that's what you're saying!

    Also..
    DE, I love to hear what you have to say about teenage mothers and abortions. The ones who screwed themselves while they were drunk?

    There's a LOT of people (at least in the United States) who fall under that category.

    Fact: One out of every 6 sexually active teenage woman will get pregnant.

    Women are engaging in sexual intercourse early teenage years. A friggin 6th grader (12 years old) got pregnant in my junior high school! =_;

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    What's wrong with killing?

    On a seperate note: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=regressive

    Maddox says everything about it that everyone can agree with. Besides, who cares about the children once they get popped out?

 

 
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