GAH I LOST MY POST NOW I HAVE TO TYPE IT AGAIN! >=(
I think our disagreement stems from the way we view this "murderous intent" that these criminals seem to have -- that is, differently. (duh) You seem to think that there is definitely some kind of mental disorder, like schizophrenia, that makes people do bad things, like kill people. And if there really was definite disease that makes people homocidal, and we had a medicine for it, then great! It makes the sick people happy, and it makes us happy too.
But IMHO it seems a bit too good to be true. A "criminal" disease? Dubious, perhaps, at best. The simple fact that we haven't found it already seems to indicate it's more complex than any existing mental disorder we know of. It's more likely that it's caused by a number of factors, e.g. the current situation, the way the guy/girl (you never know... psycho killer girl!) was brought up, his/her moral values, and of course, his/her brain. You often hear testimonies from criminals where they're going on about "sob sob... it was a horrible day... I was in a really bad mood that day because I just got sacked... then I saw this girl and she looked like my ex-girlfriend! I don't know what came over me!!!" etc. And as for premediated murders, there's none of the circumstancial thing, but there's still got to be a lot to do with the guy/girl's upbringing and environment.
Anyway... It's almost to figure out anything except for the brain bit, through screening, as you say, assuming we do find a method that is accurate enough to pinpoint those people who have that type of brain. And, as you say, we'll have to work with probability.
99.99% chance of killing someone. Yes, it makes sense to put him on medicine, since there's only a 0.01% chance that he won't. What do you think about 90%? Well, maybe. 80%? 50%? What's the limit? Who decides? Oh, and just out of curiosity, what do you consider the limit? (Directed at everybody following this thread.)
Yeah, and obviously, since we don't know of the existence of such a disease yet, then we'll have to experiment to find out, until we know for sure there is one, or there isn't. At least there's somewhere we agree, Saizou. =) If these criminals really repent for their horrible deeds, then there's one way to help everybody else, rofl. This is assuming that the medical experimentation isn't horribly painful or traumatising. I'm not positive I would still be so willing if it involved daily surgery without anethesia, or something.
In that case, Forward, in the name of Society!Originally Posted by Saizou
(Or we could like, experiment on homodical rodents. I had a hamster called Princess Peach. She bit both Mario and Luigi to death. Evil thing. Then she ate herself to death.)
And regarding the screening from a young age thing: I think that's just a misunderstanding. If a kid's sick, or will definitely grow up and be sick, give him meds, by all means. But since brains grow, a normal-looking kid might grow out to be the world's most evil dude, due to some bad experience, perhaps. It seems hard to make sure that we'll know about these deviations unless we do pretty regular screens, since the "criminal disorder" seems a lot more subtle than any "serious mental disorders". My point there was that screening might become a rather large part of life, something I'd rather avoid. Again, if there really was a wonderful glitch in our minds that dictated whether or not we'd be criminals regardless of age, then go for it. But it does seem a bit improbable, if you don't mind me saying. Our experiences do have a major impact on us, as human beings, so I have difficulty believing that the criminal tendency is innate. I also have difficulty believing that this paragraph has a point anymore. But anyway... this was what I was trying to say, earlier.
Whoa, slow down there! I was just restating the topic at hand, don't get mad at me for that. I never said you shouldn't screen people, I was more concerned about the effects of the medicine on said people. But I do have some reservations if screening becomes a major thing, which, you must admit, is definitely not impossible. This is a personal thing, but my entire being rails against becoming just numbers and probabilities on a computer screen.Originally Posted by Saizou
So um... yeah, that's about it for now. I probably forgot something, because even I'm not convinced, but I'll think about it later. And a little something, Saizou -- I can kind of get why the argument between you and Shautieh became more like a flame war than anything else, since your way of posting is admittedly somewhat hostile. o.O Taking someone's argument apart sentence by sentence? I know it's a common way of debating, and I'm not saying your way is worse than anybody else's, but it feels a bit belittling (I felt a bit sad when I was reading your reply) and it'll probably leave everybody happier if you emphasise the merits of your own argument instead of trying to tear down opposing ones, although it is occasionally necessary. It also makes it easier for me, and hopefully some other people, to grasp your entire argument instead of just little bits of it, for my mind is small and does not like reading a long list of criticisms in order to figure out your main ideas. Thank you! For reading this, even if you choose to ignore it.