no no no... its not like that.
No. We could have a guy with an obsession with nature. Obsessed with it that he sleeps outdoors all the time.
I don't get why you are always foisting blame for different things on Americans, Valleyman. America has only been around for about 386 years or so, we are not old enough to be the sole cause of all the evils of the world. No, to find the first antisocial people, I think, you need to look at the ancient Greeks. The ancient cynics(derived from the Greek word for 'dog') were a bunch of, well, wierdo philosophers, who were very nasty. They were named after dogs for the disgusting and antisocial ways in which they lived. Diogenes of Sinope, for example, lived in the town square of Corinth in a tub(remember, a tub that has not been cleaned out in weeks, in an open town square where lots of nasty stuff collects; he is quite literally wallowing in filth). When asked by Alexander the Great what he wanted, anything in the world(remember, Alexander the Great ruled Greece, this is like asking someone if they want to win the lottery) he told Alexander to get out of the way, he's blocking his sunlight.Originally Posted by Valleyman
Then, if you want to discount them as antisocial, you can always include the hermits of the Middle Ages that DigitalDragon mentioned(I have another interesting story about a particular hermit and Ivan the Terrible, but I won't bore y'all). So no, America is not the origin of the "antisocial culture," to think otherwise is merely conceited.
P.S. - I find a good set of books, and am gone for about a week reading them, and this place changes so much! It is amazing what someone can miss in such a short span of time! I have a lot of catching up to do...
Point taken, Jakko. Lets amend Valleymans argument. I dont think he is calling it evil, in the sense that you are.
America created the modern culture of the anti-social. That might be true. He's looking at a culture, not just a small, radical group of cynics. We have many expressions of said culture, but since they are not in the image of the Japanese otaku, I think its like comparing apples and oranges.
Yeah. Apples > oranges.
Apple juice > Orange juice.
Apple sauce > Orange sauce which I don't think even exists.
I, Harima Kenji, place 5 votes down on Orange!!