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    erachima is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    It says that Kenpachi killed the previous 11th division captain. More likely he was captain of the 10th division and resigned at the same time Urahara went into exile, Hitsugaya is a known recent appointment.

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    yes, that theory makes more sense. Though if he was the 10th and pretty recent, y doesnt anyone recognize him from ss(rukia, hitsugaya, etc)? i mean, i think the leaving captain should at least KNOW the entering one.

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    thats a good point, although doesn't Hitsugaya do a lot of paper work? Or was that just when he took over Aizen's stuff? Well if the tenth division is in charge of paperwork like it seems to be, i can't imagine Isshin doing that. It does sound feasible though. Although i still kinda feel like Urahara staged an Isshin Zaraki fight in order to leave.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember hearing you have to kill a captain to be one but just beat them. Zaraki only killed the previous captain because that's the type of person he is. So I highly doubt it.

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    I think it's highly probable because since urahara was the head of the research department, he might have tons of device to use in order to fool everyone, including the zaraki that isshin was killed. Kind of like what Aizen did and I know he uses his hypnosis to trick everyone but we don't know the full capabilities of isshin or urahara nor the devices urahara possessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteryguy12
    thats a good point, although doesn't Hitsugaya do a lot of paper work? Or was that just when he took over Aizen's stuff? Well if the tenth division is in charge of paperwork like it seems to be, i can't imagine Isshin doing that. It does sound feasible though. Although i still kinda feel like Urahara staged an Isshin Zaraki fight in order to leave.
    10th is not "in charge of" paperwork by any means. They are merely swamped in it because Matsumoto doesn't do the paperwork when she is told and goes out drinking, leaving it all for Hitsugaya, who has other work he has to do first. I'm pretty sure the situation is similar in the 11th division, unless the 5th seat does it all. (A thought: What if Matsumoto and Kyouraku were captain and vice of the same division? Nothing would EVER get done.)

    Animefan: An idea which relies entirely on utterly unsupported surmise when there are other ideas that require much less retroconning of the plot is NEVER highly probable.

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    i do wonder what happened to the old captains... theres been at least 20 to thirty captains since the Gotei 13 were formed. we know that from 2000 years ago Ukitake Shunsui anad Genryuusai-dono are the only remaining original captains, soon followed by Unohana and Sousuke in age, then i guess Saijin and Kaname and MAYBE Zaraki became captains, Byakuya 400 years ago i think then Soi Fong and Mayuri 200 years ago, followed lastly by Gin and Toushiro...

    yep i think theres plenty of time for Isshin to have been a captain without him being killed by Zaraki. think about it


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    If sealed sword frenzy is considered canon, then that shows that there have been at least two generations worth of captains, since the captains shown persuing Baishin (was he a captain himself?) do not seem to overlap with the current ones at all.

    Also, Ukitake and Shunsui were the first captains to graduate from the academy. There had probably been captains in their positions before, but they had not been academy trained.

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    yeah...but strange thing is...you would think people like kyouraku, ukitake and genryuusai would remember the name 'kurosaki' and made some kind of connection between ichigo, and a previous captain...but seems that even THEY don't recognise it, and don't remember isshin...

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    In the anime, Byakuya said to Ukitake 'No relation. Not to the man who just flashed through your mind'.

    Ukitake COULD have been thinking of his old VC (looks wise) but it's more likely his first thought was 'Isshin!'.

 

 
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