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    I guess that i should go ahead in the vast group of the morons...

    But we will just see in the future chapters... given the story so far i'm pretty confident.

    So there are this captains

    - Yamamoto (he is stronger than ichigo)
    - Shunsui (strong hints that he is stronger)
    - Ukitate (strong hints that he is stronger)
    - Soi Fong (totally humiliated by Yoruichi probably weaker than Ichigo)
    - Mayuri (lost to Ishida.... Ishida!!!)
    - Kenpachi (already lost to Ichigo and he was hyped as one of the MOST powerful)
    - Unohana (we don't even know what her combat skills are)
    - Komamura (pffft weaker maybe the weakest captain)
    - Tousen (weaker if he was himself during the Kempachi fight... some KTards think that he was holding back and just toying around)
    - Toshiro ( weaker no doubt)
    - Gin (unknown)
    - Aizen (stronger)
    - Byakuya (already lost to Ichigo and he was hyped as one of the MOST powerful)

    Just as a final note remember how HYPED were Byakuya and Kempachi, not by the fans... but by the manga itself...
    I pretty much see that Ichigo is ALREADY more powerfull than a good part of SS captains.... and god only know how much stronger Ichigo is....

    Heh, sorry i go back to my moronic self... he he he

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon
    from the direction the 221 chapter thread is going....
    Actually technically Ichigo became stronger than all of them once he achieved Bankai. If he had shown up to the execution with his Bankai out he could have used his speed to move behind all of them (they were nicely lined up in a row) in a blink of an eye and stab into their back through their chain link and sleep soul. Even the general would have been defeated because before he could even release his zanpaktou his ability to generate spirit pressure would be destroyed.

    In his fight with Byakuya, right when he first stabs him he had the opportunity to cut him in 3 peices (or stab him in the back twice) and end the fight right then and there, instead he just stabbed into a non-vital part.

    Having a supernaturally faster level of speed than all the other characters in the series puts you very obviously on a more powerful level. We just haven't seen Ichigo use his speed to his full advantage because that would make a boring manga, he would defeat everyone before the fight even began.

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    Byakuya didn't actually lose, his will to fight lost. He satted that he didn't know what to do regarding Rukia, so he lost his resolve to fight.

    Ya, and Ichigo could probably still own half of the remaining captains.

    Unohana - Combat Skills, probably none.

    Ukitake - Depending on his health, he could lose to Chad <_<.

    Soi Fong - If she stabs him twice... maybe (or use her unknown Ban Kai).

    Komamura - I wonder how strong he is gauged to anyone BUT Aizen. His fight with Kenpachi did end unexpectedly.

    Kenpachi - He lost at full strength to a Shikai Ichigo. Unless this guy gets an UBER Shikai or achieves Ban Kai, he won't be beating speedy Ichigo.

    Kurotsuchi - The only reason Ishida won is because he got the antidote. If he didn't he'd probably got poisoned to death.


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    interesting... i disagree on two points

    i dount doubt Unohanas probable lack of offensive capabilites but i do think she can fight if neccessary.

    Ukitake has shown if neccessary he could overcome the sickness for a while and fight, as yamamoto said when Zyuushiro was in the academy he was weak but grew into one of the most powerful fighters hed ever seen, since we havent seen his bankai or what his shikai does (besides look really pretty ) ill reserve judgement. (oh and something tells me Ukitake is faster than ichigo from when he was running from Yamamoto)

    on the other hand...

    i personally thing mayuri could beat any shinigami cuz of that gay ass shikai ability

    and i seriously doubt Ichigo is faster than Soi Fong.


    i think Ichigo could beat

    Komamura, Byakuya, Kenpachi, Hitsugaya, and Unohana (maybe since her skills are unknown) everyone else i think ichigo would lose to.


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    Unohana is a captain, ne? Wasn't it stated somewhere that Zaraki was the ONLY captain incapable of Ban Kai? Whether hers is specifically offensive or not can only be speculated, but she's a captain, and she therefore has power - it would just depend on how she uses it.

    Mayuri could beat any captain depending on the circumstances surrounding the fight. If another captain was easily distracted or something... *shrugs*

    It's hard to compare Ichigo's strength to some captains. Soi Fong fights with shyunpo - it would be difficult to gauge who's stronger in a fight where opponents are using different styles of battle. Depending on the circumstances and the manga-ka's ideas, Ichigo could probably win against any captain, strength-wise, except Yamamoto. On the other hand, he doesn't seem to have much focus, so whether he would actually win... *shrugs*
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    i do hate that DE when people hate on Retsu cuz shes a healer =_= in case you all forgot the ENTIRE 11th division is afraid of her INCLUDING Kenpachi... shes not my favorite captain for nothin


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    Kenpachi was afraid of her? I know the seated officers who weren't Ikkaku and STD-Face were terrified but I don't think it was stipulated that Kenpachi was.

    And even if Kenpachi wasn't she's still a captain and powerful as old hell.

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    It's hard to judge the strenght of people in Bleach becausethier level of concetration, belief in self, will to fight, and intent to kill have dramatic affects on power level (all Ichigo really learned from the time he got beaten by buyakaya to when he beat Zaraki in SS was concentration and his strenght increased exponentially). Ichigo was weak because he doesn't like to fight, the only real times he's ever really wanted to beat people were during the SS arc to save rukia and against Grand Fisher. Without that killer instinct (ie with no goal) I doubt Ichigo could beat any of the SS captains.

    It's also obvious that ichigo will be able to beat a vastroode (or at least Grimjaw since he has grudge against him) by the end of this arc, meaning he'll get another power upgrade (likely already has with the whole Vizard thing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon
    interesting... i disagree on two points
    i dount doubt Unohanas probable lack of offensive capabilites but i do think she can fight if neccessary.
    Which would not be enough to kill any Vastorodes or Espada. She's probably gonna stick to what she's good at, healing and thinking.

    Ukitake has shown if neccessary he could overcome the sickness for a while and fight, as yamamoto said when Zyuushiro was in the academy he was weak but grew into one of the most powerful fighters hed ever seen, since we havent seen his bankai or what his shikai does (besides look really pretty ) ill reserve judgement. (oh and something tells me Ukitake is faster than ichigo from when he was running from Yamamoto)
    That's why I said it depends on his health. If he's at crappy health and sickly from his STDs then he'll lose to Chad. If he's at medium health than he could get something done.

    Yamamoto was commenting him on his will and spirit, not because of his actual "power." Ban Kai Ichigo is probably faster since all he does is specialize in that, but if we're talking about normal shuunpo, yes he's faster.

    on the other hand...

    i personally thing mayuri could beat any shinigami cuz of that gay ass shikai ability
    That's why he's a cheap bastard who runs away after poisoning.

    and i seriously doubt Ichigo is faster than Soi Fong
    IMO Ichigo is faster. He did train with Yoruichi for that short time, but we haven't seen Soi Fong do any speed training with Yoruichi. Maybe if her Ban Kai makes her increase speed, but she'd still be slower than Yoruichi <_<.


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    We can't really say that Kenpachi is weaker then Ichigo, because in their fight, it did end in a draw. Ichigo fell before Kenpachi but Kenpachi also fell soon after. And Ichigo and Byakuya are probably evenly matched, because Byakuya did get beat down for the first half of the fight, because he was expecting Ichigo to be the same as when they first met. But during the second half when he actually unleashed his real ban kai, Ichigo began losing, so, we can just assume Ichigo's hollow half surpised Byakuya, giving him the advantage for a bit. But yea... I'm just a kid, so my theories aren't as developed as some of yours. =P

 

 
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