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    Poustardos is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitsugaya-The-Great
    -_____-, Rukia got the Hougyoku AFTER she transfered her shinigami powers to Ichigo.

    lol how did u come to this conclusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaom
    Plus, it's not in the gigai, it's in Rukia.
    True, it was in Rukia, but it was stated (no I can't be bothered to find a reference) that it was in the Gigai. Presumably it then merged with Rukia when she walked into SS whilst in the Gigai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleachigo
    Hollows represent a souls inherrent instincts and baser urges, because the soul is missing its heart.
    Wouldnt that mean that everyone has a Hollow in them from the very start and that it can arise when pure instinct and fighting spirit without any emotions is needed to survive? Without the emotions of the conciouse mind to interfere and cause you to hold back for fear of causing to much harm.
    Like for example when you are about to die. And wouldnt that mean that Ichigos Hollow came out before the whole shaft incident when he was near death?
    Because if you notice the Hollow tends to come out and save Ichigo everytime he is injured severely. Like when he is fighting Renji or Zaraki the mask comes out to protect him.
    Or am I just a rambling idiot?
    Also I have a theory that Ichigo and Kaien are blood relatives maybe Kaien is his mothers father or fathers father. Because they dont say how long ago Kaien died it could have been 10 years ago or 100 years ago.

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    Anybody can become a hollow after they die so I guess everyone does have a hollow inside of them. The rare thing about ichigo is that he and the hollow are separate and he doesn't lose himself if the hollow takes over like in normal people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aradiel
    True, it was in Rukia, but it was stated (no I can't be bothered to find a reference) that it was in the Gigai. Presumably it then merged with Rukia when she walked into SS whilst in the Gigai.
    During Aizens long bit of plot-exposition in the anime (just before Komamura jumps him IIRC) he mentioned that he had discovered that Rukia had Hougyokou but before he could act, she had gone AWOL. Not that Hougyokou had been hidden in an untraceable gigai but that it's bearer had.

    Given that ordering it's a fairly simple bit of reasoning to state that Rukia had Hougyokou inside her ever since Urahara went missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by void24601
    Anybody can become a hollow after they die so I guess everyone does have a hollow inside of them. The rare thing about ichigo is that he and the hollow are separate and he doesn't lose himself if the hollow takes over like in normal people.
    listen nobody has hollow within them ok, for humans when they die, a death god comes and send them to soul society, if that person is a sinner then that person will go to hell. hollows are plus spirits: A plus (called a whole in the official English version of the manga) is the disembodied spirit of a person who has died. A plus has a spiritual body composed of reishi that resembles its former material body at the time of death. From the chest hangs the Chain of Destiny (因果の鎖, inga no kusari?). This chain ties the soul to something in the world that keeps them there. if this chain is broken then it will begin to corrode.If the corrosion is completed before a shinigami can perform a soul burial on the soul, the plus descends into a hollow. Or human can become hollow if they are eaten by other hollows.

    You are getting the facts confused, regular living humans are different from soul society humans. regular living humans are all earth bounds and all have soul chains but Soul society humans don't. Regular living humans can turn into hollows but at the same time they can't become shinigamis, while soul society humans with strong reiatsu can and they can't become hollows. ichigo's case is different, since he had shinigami powers or is a shinketsu(pure bloood shinigami) he didn't turn into a hollow instead became a shinigami and at the same the hollow form he was about to have stayed in his spirit. thus he became a shinigami-hybrid.
    Soul society shinigamis can only become hybrid by using the hougyoukou or some other non-natural method. For ichigo it is different since he was born in the regular world from a shinigami father so he had shinigami powers, thus becoming a natural bred shinigami-hybrid was possible for him.


    ***Now if a regular living humans turn into a hollow, to send them to soul society, the shinigamis kills the hollow.Regular people will turn hollow if their soul chain is cut no matter what they do since it is impossible for them. Ichigo and his hollow are not separate beings, they are the same but at the same time they are not, like two sides of one coin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cailet
    During Aizens long bit of plot-exposition in the anime (just before Komamura jumps him IIRC) he mentioned that he had discovered that Rukia had Hougyokou but before he could act, she had gone AWOL. Not that Hougyokou had been hidden in an untraceable gigai but that it's bearer had.

    Given that ordering it's a fairly simple bit of reasoning to state that Rukia had Hougyokou inside her ever since Urahara went missing.
    Thank you, Cailet (and welcome to the forums!). This is exactly what I remember reading, and the conclusion I came to is the same as yours.

    No offense Aradiel, if you can't be bothered to find a reference to that statement (which may or may not exist, I certainly don't remember it), then why would I try to track it down? If you can at least tell me where you think this is, I'm willing to look through a few chapters for it, but you're basically asking me to go read the whole Soul Society arc again...please, it's easier on everyone if you back up your own claims instead of telling us to do the looking for you. If you can't remember when this happened, why do you expect us to believe that you're even remembering the statement accurately? Just a thought.

    I think that Hollow Ichigo may have some connection to the Hougyoku. Especially since it seems now that Hirako's gang does. I think we're going to have to wait for Hirako to spit out the information (after Ichigo is finished his current battle) for any definite answers, but I'll speculate ahead of time that the Hougyoku, and by extension Urahara, is at the centre of just about everything.

    It takes some time for a soul to become a hollow, right? I think it's a possibility that Hollow Ichigo was in the works from the very beginning, and only manifested once Ichigo got his own shinigami powers. I don't necessarily believe this to be the case just yet, but it is possible. From that point on we know for a fact that he's been gaining in strength and control, so he could have been doing that since the time Ichigo first became a shinigami as well.

    Now, if someone will mention as an aside in their post what IIRC stands for, I'll be a happy camper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaom
    Thank you, Cailet (and welcome to the forums!). This is exactly what I remember reading, and the conclusion I came to is the same as yours.

    No offense Aradiel, if you can't be bothered to find a reference to that statement (which may or may not exist, I certainly don't remember it), then why would I try to track it down? If you can at least tell me where you think this is, I'm willing to look through a few chapters for it, but you're basically asking me to go read the whole Soul Society arc again...please, it's easier on everyone if you back up your own claims instead of telling us to do the looking for you. If you can't remember when this happened, why do you expect us to believe that you're even remembering the statement accurately? Just a thought.

    I think that Hollow Ichigo may have some connection to the Hougyoku. Especially since it seems now that Hirako's gang does. I think we're going to have to wait for Hirako to spit out the information (after Ichigo is finished his current battle) for any definite answers, but I'll speculate ahead of time that the Hougyoku, and by extension Urahara, is at the centre of just about everything.

    It takes some time for a soul to become a hollow, right? I think it's a possibility that Hollow Ichigo was in the works from the very beginning, and only manifested once Ichigo got his own shinigami powers. I don't necessarily believe this to be the case just yet, but it is possible. From that point on we know for a fact that he's been gaining in strength and control, so he could have been doing that since the time Ichigo first became a shinigami as well.

    Now, if someone will mention as an aside in their post what IIRC stands for, I'll be a happy camper.
    I don't know what to say about your post, but one I can say it is ridiculous. How the hell does Hollow ichigo has connections with the Hougyoukou, first off Urahara didn't even have the Hougyoukou with him at the time ichigo became a shinigami-hybrid. The Hougyoukou was with Rukia in a jell cell in soul society in the depth of her soul. There is no connection or whatsoever between Hichigo and Hougyoukou.
    I thought i explain that already, Ichigo became a shinigami-hybrid in the shaft. He had his soul chain cut, he was in the process of becomin a hollow but instead Found Zangetsu in the that box in his inner-world thus stopped the hollorification process. After that, he came out of the shaft with shinigami clothes and a mask, and that mask has been with him since. The hollow inside ichigo is none other than what ichigo would have been, had he became a hollow.
    The Hougyoukou is way different, it is an orb which dissolves the boundary between shinigami and hollow.
    While Vizards,Aizen,Tousen,Gin where shinigamis before becoming shinigami-hybrids, Ichigo just became a shinigami-hybrid with no artificiel method.

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    Well, that's fine if you disagree. But please notice this:

    Quote Originally Posted by kaom
    It takes some time for a soul to become a hollow, right? I think it's a possibility that Hollow Ichigo was in the works from the very beginning, and only manifested once Ichigo got his own shinigami powers. I don't necessarily believe this to be the case just yet, but it is possible.
    In truth, I agree with you. I'm just not ready to rule out the possibility that something else might have happened yet. As for the Hougyoku's involvement, the idea behind that would be that, if Rukia had it beforehand, it somehow interfered or had an influence when she transferred her shinigami powers to Ichigo. Again, I'm not saying that's what happened, it's just an idea. Personally I like to think that Hollow Ichigo did come into existence in the shaft, I'm just exploring other possibilities.

    And we don't know for sure yet whether or not Aizen, Gin, and Tousen have used the Hougyoku on themselves. I think they probably will eventually, if they haven't yet, but we haven't been told that.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaom
    Now, if someone will mention as an aside in their post what IIRC stands for, I'll be a happy camper.
    This was the part I really wanted a response to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaom
    Well, that's fine if you disagree. But please notice this:


    In truth, I agree with you. I'm just not ready to rule out the possibility that something else might have happened yet. As for the Hougyoku's involvement, the idea behind that would be that, if Rukia had it beforehand, it somehow interfered or had an influence when she transferred her shinigami powers to Ichigo. Again, I'm not saying that's what happened, it's just an idea. Personally I like to think that Hollow Ichigo did come into existence in the shaft, I'm just exploring other possibilities.

    And we don't know for sure yet whether or not Aizen, Gin, and Tousen have used the Hougyoku on themselves. I think they probably will eventually, if they haven't yet, but we haven't been told that.




    This was the part I really wanted a response to...
    but at the time Rukia had transferred her powers to Ichigo, she didn't have the hogyokou, it's when she went to Urahara for a gigai that he hid the Hogyokou in her soul, and the gigai was starting to neutralize her shinigami powers and to transform her into a normal human spirit, that is why Aizen when to the trouble to find her.

 

 
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