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    Getsuga is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Partially both, perfect condition and they're all on my PC and my laptop x.x'' Him on a cover would be pretty cool, some of the arrancar (Ulquoilla anybody?) would be awesome too
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    yes i noticed it too that it but i then thought it might be wrong.

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    Shows how Tite Kubo has lots of stuff more or less planned out ahead already. A reason why I like Bleach. It makes good sense (sometimes).

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    That picture is a real pain the ass cause everybody now say "See KT planned this all ahead!!!".

    Yeah right. When he submitted his first chapter it wasn't even sure that Bleach would have continued for so long since it was viewed as "just another shounen". The most reasonable explanation is that he just prepared a charachter design and decided to use later on when he needed.
    Mangaka especially the "shounen" ones don't really plan ahead more than few chapters (especially at the beginning). They just draw a chapter a week depending how they feel and having only a vague plot in mind.
    Do you think he planned hirako, ichigo's dad being a shinigami, ikkaku's bankai or other things ahead? O_o
    Heh.It's just a picture.

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    True, true, the picture doesn't mean he planned out the Vizards, but that he did toy with the character design of Hirako. Still, the Arrancar appeared horribly early on, which means he at least planned out that. So, it's not unlikely he had a Vizard concept in his mind either. As for Ichigo's dad being a Shinigami, it's actually quite possible he already thought of that. He needed some way to explain Ichigo's natural potential. It's possible, but, I'd rather wait until we see more of Isshin. It might give us some stuff that makes us go "Ah right, that does make sense now!". ;P

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    Quote Originally Posted by otacu
    Do you think he planned hirako, ichigo's dad being a shinigami, ikkaku's bankai or other things ahead? O_o
    Heh.It's just a picture.
    The only reason I think there was some sort of "blueprint" for the series is because it seems very well put together. I don't think the story was written as it came out otherwise there would probably be more plot twists not making any sense or plot faults. The bankais don't really affect the plot as much. Sure they're necessary for the shinigami to fight and all, but all the planning they needed was how crazy to make them.

    All I'm trying to say is that isn't it possible that the overall story was planned out in Tite Kubo's mind somewhat in advance and there can just be lots of little details he added in here and there?
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    Well, he probably had something like this in mind:
    ->Normal world
    -->Ichigo meets Rukia and get Shinigami powers
    -->Introduction of other characters (one being a Quincy) (Arrancar appear)
    -->Rukia is taken back to SS
    -->Ichigo receives training(+Hollow inside of him), Ukitake has a Zanpaktou
    The above provides some basic stuff, essential to the plot later on. Ishida being a Quincy provides a human rival for Ichigo. The Quincy link is also made later on with Ishida's estranged father, who was especially avoided throughout the first arc, yet holds a key to the arc after SS. The Quincies all being exterminated by Shinigami provide a motive and a concept of Mayuri. Hollow power and the Arrancar are main story elements after SS.

    ->Soul Society:
    -->Side characters beat side Captains (Quincy vs. Evil Shinigami "Doctor")
    -->Ichigo fights Captain (Zaraki) that he can beat, on pure strength
    -->Aizen dies (main key to after SS arc)
    -->Information about Ukitake and Yoruichi, them being ex-Shinigami
    -->Ichigo gets training from Yoruichi (Bankai)
    -->Ichigo fights that he can beat, with new skill (Bankai+Hollow)
    -->Aizen, Gin and Tousen leave SS, with their Hollow friends
    Several things; Ishida loses his powers in a battle against the Shinigami, mostly responsible for the extermination of the Quincy. Since Mayuri survives, his revenge isn't complete. More is revealed about Zangetsu and Ichigo's inner Hollow. Other characters, such as Ikkaku appear. Aizen mysteriously dies, for a reason clear at the end of SS. With his Bankai (and some help from his Hollow), Ichigo defeats Byakuya. It is explained why Byakuya is so strict to follow the rules. Aizen's motives are revealed, and it is shown that the return of Rukia to SS, which is the key for the entire SS arc, is actually part of Aizen's plan. Along the way, Inoue is getting more and more "jealous" of Rukia, which, IMO, will have a consequence soon.

    ->After SS:
    -->Vizards and Arrancar appear.
    -->Grand Fisher is defeated by the ex-Shinigami Kurosaki Isshin.
    -->Ishida meets his dad, who will train him.
    -->Several friends of Ichigo also start to develop supernatural abilities.
    -->Stronger Arrancar appear. 2 early on, a whole bunch later.
    -->Ichigo, after the Arrancar battle, seeks the Vizards for strength.
    Well, here we are now. Hirako and Hiyori confront Ichigo. Grand Fisher is ironically taken care of by the husband of who he killed. Isshin shows himself to be a former Shinigami, which explains Ichigo's potential, and provides a Deus ex Machina. Also Ishida's father, who was shrouded in mist so far, provides the key for Ishida to regain his Quincy powers. Several Arrancar are introduced. Some side-characters play a decent role, and new ones are introduced. Inoue's "jealousy" of Rukia grows. After Grimjow is called back by Tousen, Ichigo wants to become stronger. The solution: The Vizards.

    Everything nicely works out, I'd say.

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    Yes that works fine now that we can make a summary but i doubt that KT had such a detailed list prepared at the beginning....

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    Well, possibly. There are some "details" that turn out to be important later on. He obviously already thought of Arrancar and Vizards(Ichigo's Hollow) before they went to SS.

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    i agree that kubo tite must have had some general idea of where he wanted to go, but not the details. i doubt that the hirako that we see now was the hirako he had in mind back in chapter 1.

    but i'm against the idea that he planned only a few chapters at a time. how would you explain the entire aizen arc ? everything (the otherwise random things that happened) made perfect sense after that.

 

 
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