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    otacu is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    The answer is very simple: it's not that captains got weaker... there are just stronger people around!

    The hype for the captains has finished.... a new hype has born. When SS arc started Shinigami Captains were presented as the most powerful spiritual beings ever.... now they are just ... well weak. That's how Shounen works and Bleach is a perfect example of the shounen formula.

    Hype charachters and the humiliate them to hype the new charachters.

    In no order but these people are supposed to be stronger than SS captains:

    Aizen & co,Vaizards, Espada and every Arrancar made of more than a Gillian....

    and THEN we have captains... they had problems dealing with Gillian-made Arrancar!!!

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    This is getting worrying coz some1 (can't remember who) said that if there were 10 of those Arrancas then SS can be wiped out, but then it turns out there are like 20! so erm.................

    I hope those who have not yet FULLY developed their ban kai (mainly Renji and Ichigo) can quickly develop it...time is short!

    O and i wanna c Urahara's ban kai properly, does Yoruichi have a zanpaktou?
    If Yoruichi and Kisuke work together, do u think they'll be able to handle a couple of Espadas?

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    you guys are failing to notice that weve seen the weaker of soul society fight. believe it or not, hitsugaya is one of the weaker captains. kenpachi(who may have learned shikai) byakuya(who I consider stronger than ichigo) and not to mention genryusai, as well as many others. Weve only seen one of the weaker captains and some vice captains fight, I personally think some captains are on espada level(at least 6 and above)

    and they are talking about vastroodes that could wipe out SS. there are currently no vastroods in aizens army as of now

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    Another thing to note is that the shinigami haven't had any reason to become stronger until now, i mean until now, they were well, gods
    They had no reason to become stronger because the strength they had was sufficient, i mean there is a limit to their strength, but i dun think most of the captains n VC's have reached their limits yet

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    They just have stronger enemies
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    Shinigami have no reason to train properly all the time. Up until now, all they had to deal with was a bunch of weak little Hollows, with an occasional one as strong as the Grand Fisher. The captains and vice captains were strong, but they had no oppurtunity to improve their powers, nor did they have a reason. Suddenly, when the strength of you enemies goes up, not by a unit, not by several times, but by several orders of magnitude, then you've got a problem.

    The Gotei 13 is a bureaucratic organisation, and thus the captains were much more occupied with organizing and dispatching and paperwork than training, because they had no reason to train hard.
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    Well, if you compare it to the Vastorode Arrancar's like Grimjaw and the Vaizards, i'd say yes. It would seem they have dropped by two seats in the line up for the strongest. I can understand that Ichigo will get stronger by confronting his inner hollow and with the help of the Vaizards, but what are the Soul Society shinigamis going to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilzord
    Well, if you compare it to the Vastorode Arrancar's like Grimjaw and the Vaizards, i'd say yes. It would seem they have dropped by two seats in the line up for the strongest. I can understand that Ichigo will get stronger by confronting his inner hollow and with the help of the Vaizards, but what are the Soul Society shinigamis going to do?
    Most of them will probably start training, duh... Those captains and vc who doesnt have bankai will probably take their time to get one, Zaraki still needs to get shikai (I think we wont see that soon), and then... training! Its not like they cant get better than they are now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ensou_Masquerade
    Arrancer
    Vaizards (not sure of the name)
    Captain/Captain level death gods (Ichigo, Urahara, etc.)
    Whatevers under captain
    Whatevers under whats under captain
    And so on
    Technically shouldn't Ichigo be listed with Vaizards.
    Quote Originally Posted by Akatsuki
    Thay are not get any weaker, they are weak from the beginning... Remember that apart from the Captain and vice-captain who are exceptional(exept grop 11 as well) the other shinigami are much weaker. But they are not that weak, actually. I think it is because we usually use Ichigo to compare ppl but Grimjaw is an espade--> stronger than normal Arranca--> it doesnt mean the Arranca are that strong(Matsumoto and even Rukia can pwned them remember)

    About Vaizard...there is no telling how strong they are, but... being a Vaizard mean can over pass the Shinigami limit so they may be more powerful tahn normal Shinigami. And it is Hollow-Ichigo that beat Byakuya so unless Ichigo turn into a Hollow now, there is no right way to compare their streng in the next battle.
    Actually a hollow didn't beat Byakuya, he only helped but it was Ichigo as himself that beat him.
    Quote Originally Posted by mugiwara31
    you guys are failing to notice that weve seen the weaker of soul society fight. believe it or not, hitsugaya is one of the weaker captains. kenpachi(who may have learned shikai) byakuya(who I consider stronger than ichigo) and not to mention genryusai, as well as many others. Weve only seen one of the weaker captains and some vice captains fight, I personally think some captains are on espada level(at least 6 and above)

    and they are talking about vastroodes that could wipe out SS. there are currently no vastroods in aizens army as of now
    I agree with you but how many of these strong captains are there, not enough to stop them all from getting defeated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugiwara31
    you guys are failing to notice that weve seen the weaker of soul society fight. believe it or not, hitsugaya is one of the weaker captains. kenpachi(who may have learned shikai) byakuya(who I consider stronger than ichigo) and not to mention genryusai, as well as many others. Weve only seen one of the weaker captains and some vice captains fight, I personally think some captains are on espada level(at least 6 and above)

    and they are talking about vastroodes that could wipe out SS. there are currently no vastroods in aizens army as of now
    Hmmm ... I'm inclined to believe that Hitsugaya knows more about (re: unit captain power levels vs enemy power levels) what he is talking about than we do.

    Granted, we as readers know things (like how a certain shinigami achieved bankai, and helped others to do so, without the top brass' -officially, at least - knowledge) that Hitsugaya might not.

    But unless even the unit captains' general power level is secret ... why would Hitsugaya be wrong? Never mind that he may well be the weakest, or among the weakest, of the unit captains?

 

 
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