02-08-2006, 10:11 PM
Goddamn... why the hell is Ichigo so weak in his morals now?
02-08-2006, 10:27 PM
one order of white jacket comin' up
02-08-2006, 11:09 PM
I don't think that the power-ups have gotten excessive. For one, they were there from the relative begining and the story line all flows to it. Heck, he even had that vaizard guy on a title page for the first chapter. Second, the power-ups have only gone one level beyond the standard structure of Soul Society and involves an aspect of the story that was introduced before Soul Society, thus, to me, perfectly acceptable. Third, the only character with insane growth has been Ichigo, though Ishida might have some nasty power after finishing his training.
Anyways, I think that this was all just a setup so that Ichigo would have an excuse to train with the vaizards. As for this depression thing going on, he's always had it; the only time he didn't was when he had to achieve bankai in what ended up being two days. Still, these chapters just seem to be there for the sole purpose of driving the shinigami, primarly Ichigo, to get stronger.
02-09-2006, 03:28 AM
actually a reason can justify a power up when the author explains it
Originally Posted by Shamgi
its their story to tell what the hell do u mean its not ok
02-09-2006, 03:42 AM
I think that Shamgi meant that a reason in the story can justify a power up but not from a reader perspecitve...
Originally Posted by Rocklee87
An Example: Aizen with the Hogyu (whatever) thing can now trasform all the shinigami and hollow that he want and make them ultra strong. Urahara can train Ichigo and Co. and make them ultra powerful too in just a couple of days... in the perspective of the story it's ok, the author explain WHY the charachters are powered up.
But as readers we are gonna say "WTF?!?!?". Especially considering that the times are all messed up especially in Bleach.
02-09-2006, 02:11 PM
Exactly. It could just as easily be explained that Ichigo coming into balance with his hollow form gives him the power to destroy the world in a single attack, but even though it makes sense from a story perspective, but it would ruin Bleach.
Originally Posted by otacu
Authors have to use restraint with their characters and especially their growth in order to make the story good, else it becomes another set of insane powerups back and forth with some story shoved inbetween it.
And just because he can do anything with the story doesn't mean I can't say it's crap. Not that I'm calling Bleach crap, but you can't suggest I'm not allowed to be critical of something because I'm not involved in it's direct production.
02-09-2006, 03:36 PM
i dont know maybe i read the chapters slower than some people but i get whats going on with the power jumps
but if u are saying u dont like the way it is justified i get that aswell cause everyone is entitled to their own opinion about this stuff
but i like others grew up on dbz, and honestly if characters stayed the same level throught the story i would get bored
as long as it is explained i dont care how they get stronger
02-10-2006, 03:04 AM
i dont think ichigo is really being sad atm....his more like struggling to maintain the darker side of him...b/c slowly it is coming out...even his little sister and orihime is noticing the struggle within him.
plus i tend to think ichigo is selfish and self absorb, true he care for his friend...but he tend to think more of himself hence he doesnt realise the obvious...orihime likes him!!
what i like to know, when ichigo over comes the dark side of him....that be like one of the turning points of the story and that he would have a great source of power.
02-16-2006, 08:37 PM
Alright, I'll just throw this out there.
I think someone mentioned this kind of thought earlier on in the post and immediately got shot down for it, but Bleach is getting ridiculous. It's turning into Dragonball Z with swords: everyone is running around and bleeding and screaming in giant balls of energy. The story is really not very interesting and almost all of the characters are completely two -dimensional. Ichigo has had nothing in the lines of character development since chapter 1, and the rest of the cast isn't much better. Now, I know you'll all want to jump on me for this with things like "No, OMG so-and-so is awesome!!!" But I want you to really think about it. Taito introduces each character with a two word sort of personality, and then without exploring them very much, introduces a HUGE cast of characters (the Gotei 13) without giving any time to develop them. It's just all about powering up and fighting, which, don't get me wrong, I LOVE fighting, but the reiatsu power system is about as interesting as the ki system in Dragonball Z. The characters don't DO anything with it, except make themselves glow and destroy the surrounding landscape.
The reason I'm going to keep reading Bleach is because I have huge respect for kubotite as an artist, and I like his sense of style. Hsi manga Zombie Powder had a lot of potential, and for a while I thought that Bleach did too. But as far as endless shonen series to get obsessed over go, I'll stick with Naruto.
I'd be interested to hear what you all think about Bleach's development as far as plot/character/fighting is concerned.
02-16-2006, 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by ofudamaster
First, you're bashing Bleach for character development and then say you'll stick to Naruto?
Anyways, now that I've laughed at you, I'd invite you to actually read these threads to see what the hell we're saying. Quite a few of us agree that Bleach suffers greatly from it's sheer lack of development, and what we think about all of it. Hell, I think the biggest thread about it is c214, though I can't say for sure.