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    Shamgi is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by otacu
    I've just read the 212 chapter and.... What the Hell?

    KT did it again!

    That stupid hype of the enemies! I discover that not only Grimjaw was just toying with Ichigo but he was kicking ichigo ass in bankai mode... while Grimjaw wasn't even using his sword. And the line "now you are worth killing" just made me sick.
    WTF!?!? Is Grimjaw XXX times more powerful than Ichigo (and btw Kenpachi and Byakuya ....)? I mean Getsuga just scratched him!

    Now, really i know that this is shounen but there is a limit! And since i already know that Ichigo will somehow kick Grimjaw in the ass in the near future.... this is making me really mad.
    What about making Grimjaw superior but still within reach? Or making him displaying us his true powers... but no! KT was just trying to show us how puny the shinigami captains and Ichigo are by making the gap .... huge.

    And Tousen? Why is acting almigthy and cool like that? Hello, Tousen you were even able to defeat Kenpachi .... and now you are acting like you are some kind of superstar with that gay no-sleeves outfit?

    I'm beginning to think that this saga is going in a very BAD direction.. this is shounen but hell! That's the lamest thing since.. well i'm not gonna say it since you already know.

    but maybe is just me...
    Ok, how about we discover Ichigo is clearly more powerful than Grim Jaw, he kicks his ass, kicks Tousen's ass when he shows up, then uses Tousen to warp over to Aizen's place and kicks his ass, since no one can stop him. End of Bleach.

    Of course the bad guys are going to be more powerful when they first show up, that's how you create a plot. Every single story that involves any sort of conflict ever always begins with the antoginist possessing the advantage, be in power, strength, or whatever. There wouldn't be a story if this was false. And then the story will consist of Ichigo and Co. gaining strength through one method or another, eventually being able to match the arrancar and then defeat them. At least learn the basics of how plot works before you comment on it.

    On that note, here's something that hit me:

    Aizen said that a Shinigami can only become so powerful before they reach a limit, and that the Arrancar can breach that limit. It's clear now that Ichigo can breach the limit through his hollow, but the other Shinigami are basically facing an opponent they can't beat. Short of gaining hollow powers as well(which isn't happening) they're basically screwed against them.

    I'm guessing the same thing doesn't apply to humans, who already possess the ability to become Hollows. I'd say that's another sort of indication that Chad, Orihime, and the others will become a the focal point of the story, with Renji, Rukia, and maybe a few other Shinigami along as well, but the bulk of Soul Society being moved out of the picture. Just a thought.

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    The main problem with Ichigo is that he doesn't realize that his hollow side is just a darker side of him. It is safe to say that he is afraid of it. If he keeps denying it, it will eat him up. One thing he can do is ask the Vaizard how to control himself and use it to its fullest. You can already tell he is depressed about Rukia being injured and him not being able to protect or heal her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redrum305
    The main problem with Ichigo is that he doesn't realize that his hollow side is just a darker side of him. If he keeps denying it, it will eat him up. One thing he can do is ask the Vaizard how to control himself and use it to its fullest. You can already tell he is depressed about Rukia being injured and him not being able to protect or heal her.
    His hollow seems to be just a classic internal conflict between good and evil, but I'm not so sure it's that simple. Nothing to base it on, but I just feel like it's not that easy, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamgi
    Ok, how about we discover Ichigo is clearly more powerful than Grim Jaw, he kicks his ass, kicks Tousen's ass when he shows up, then uses Tousen to warp over to Aizen's place and kicks his ass, since no one can stop him. End of Bleach.

    Of course the bad guys are going to be more powerful when they first show up, that's how you create a plot. Every single story that involves any sort of conflict ever always begins with the antoginist possessing the advantage, be in power, strength, or whatever. There wouldn't be a story if this was false. And then the story will consist of Ichigo and Co. gaining strength through one method or another, eventually being able to match the arrancar and then defeat them. At least learn the basics of how plot works before you comment on it.
    I already wrote that it's clear that a new enemy should be more powerful... but Bleach is pushing it too much!
    For example why not showing us that Grimjaw can dodge the Getsuga instead? No, he get just scratched to show us that Getsuga is trash. That's what i'm saying. KT want to show us that the sheer power of Grimjaw is overwhelming.

    How much time did it pass from the return to earth? 2-3 weeks at most?
    And the new enemy just talk of getsuga as total trash!!! Grimjaw is not showing his superiority like a normal new enemy ... he is saying that Ichigo is trash. And he wasn't even using his released form.
    I'm saying that Bleach is just going to fast. It's a power escalation that's going too fast .

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    Quote Originally Posted by otacu
    Quote Originally Posted by Shamgi
    Ok, how about we discover Ichigo is clearly more powerful than Grim Jaw, he kicks his ass, kicks Tousen's ass when he shows up, then uses Tousen to warp over to Aizen's place and kicks his ass, since no one can stop him. End of Bleach.

    Of course the bad guys are going to be more powerful when they first show up, that's how you create a plot. Every single story that involves any sort of conflict ever always begins with the antoginist possessing the advantage, be in power, strength, or whatever. There wouldn't be a story if this was false. And then the story will consist of Ichigo and Co. gaining strength through one method or another, eventually being able to match the arrancar and then defeat them. At least learn the basics of how plot works before you comment on it.
    I already wrote that it's clear that a new enemy should be more powerful... but Bleach is pushing it too much!
    For example why not showing us that Grimjaw can dodge the Getsuga instead? No, he get just scratched to show us that Getsuga is trash. That's what i'm saying. KT want to show us that the sheer power of Grimjaw is overwhelming.

    How much time did it pass from the return to earth? 2-3 weeks at most?
    And the new enemy just talk of getsuga as total trash!!! Grimjaw is not showing his superiority like a normal new enemy ... he is saying that Ichigo is trash. And he wasn't even using his released form.
    I'm saying that Bleach is just going to fast. It's a power escalation that's going too fast .
    Yet in the same battle, Grim said Ichigo was worth killing, which implies he's capable of going toe to toe with them.

    Besides, Grim Jaws strength may stem more from the fact that Ichigo with his hollow is going to be much to powerful for what current people can deal with. So thus stronger enemies

    Besides, the manga in general is going to fast, the power levels aren't out of the norm for the pacing of the manga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamgi
    Besides, the manga in general is going to fast, the power levels aren't out of the norm for the pacing of the manga.
    Uhm, yes you are right. I was just hoping in a more slower pace for power levels in this arc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otacu
    Quote Originally Posted by Shamgi
    Besides, the manga in general is going to fast, the power levels aren't out of the norm for the pacing of the manga.
    Uhm, yes you are right. I was just hoping in a more slower pace for power levels in this arc.
    I honestly think you'll get your wish. I figure from now on KT is going to really slow the pacing down and start developing the characters more, so I don't think we'll get seeing anymore of Ichigo's insane power jumps any time soon.

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    Still....
    It makes you wonder what will be the power level for the next arc. And the one after. And what kind of ennemies KT will pull out of his hat...

    Just imagine...
    -Ichigo goes to hell to kick demon's asses.
    -Ichigo goes to an alternate dimension where uber-shinigami exists.
    -Ichigo repels an invasion of alien spirits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael
    Still....
    It makes you wonder what will be the power level for the next arc. And the one after. And what kind of ennemies KT will pull out of his hat...
    No it does not.

    Just stick with the story...enjoy it, enjoy the entertainment. Why does everyone keep trying to "guess" what will be in arc X, who cares anyway?

    It's not that i have a problem when someone is trying to predict what happens in the next chapter, or what consequences could be accuring because of the last chapter aso...as everbody does, including me, nut it's getting kind of annoying of all these "preachers of doom" that run around screaming: OMG DBZ!! or some other nonsense.

    If you don't like bleach anymore: Say it and stop reading/DL it.

    bleach follows the rules of a typical shonen manga, so get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamgi
    Quote Originally Posted by otacu
    Quote Originally Posted by Shamgi
    Ok, how about we discover Ichigo is clearly more powerful than Grim Jaw, he kicks his ass, kicks Tousen's ass when he shows up, then uses Tousen to warp over to Aizen's place and kicks his ass, since no one can stop him. End of Bleach.

    Of course the bad guys are going to be more powerful when they first show up, that's how you create a plot. Every single story that involves any sort of conflict ever always begins with the antoginist possessing the advantage, be in power, strength, or whatever. There wouldn't be a story if this was false. And then the story will consist of Ichigo and Co. gaining strength through one method or another, eventually being able to match the arrancar and then defeat them. At least learn the basics of how plot works before you comment on it.
    I already wrote that it's clear that a new enemy should be more powerful... but Bleach is pushing it too much!
    For example why not showing us that Grimjaw can dodge the Getsuga instead? No, he get just scratched to show us that Getsuga is trash. That's what i'm saying. KT want to show us that the sheer power of Grimjaw is overwhelming.

    How much time did it pass from the return to earth? 2-3 weeks at most?
    And the new enemy just talk of getsuga as total trash!!! Grimjaw is not showing his superiority like a normal new enemy ... he is saying that Ichigo is trash. And he wasn't even using his released form.
    I'm saying that Bleach is just going to fast. It's a power escalation that's going too fast .
    Yet in the same battle, Grim said Ichigo was worth killing, which implies he's capable of going toe to toe with them.

    Besides, Grim Jaws strength may stem more from the fact that Ichigo with his hollow is going to be much to powerful for what current people can deal with. So thus stronger enemies

    Besides, the manga in general is going to fast, the power levels aren't out of the norm for the pacing of the manga.
    No. That's not what he meant.

    Ichigo and Grimmjow can't go toe to toe because of the difference. The "worth killing" part was directed in a way that was saying "you're finally not trash, just one level above." Think of Yami. =\
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