The method by which the Quincys get their powers is irrelevant. What matters is that they behave as if they had a high Reiatsu, and therefore it's possible to compare them to Shinigami in terms of power.Originally Posted by Crazytype
You really are dense aren't you? You also lie by stating that Nemu moved sluggishly, in the manga she suddenly appears and grabs ishida before he can react, and in the anime (which appears to be a slow motion sequence) she appears in a blur and grabs Ishida before he can react.Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
Now, the implications of Nemu being able to grab Ishida in the first place are probably not apparent to a retard such as you, so I'll try to make this simple.
The point is that Ishida has far better perception than your average joe (or Shinigami). This means that a sluggish attack is simply not going to catch him off guard even if he concentrates on something else. Now this leads to the conclusion that Nemu moved very fast when she grabbed Ishida. High speed in turn implies high power, that is VC level power, since Ishida was undoubtedly above VC level when he fought Mayuri.
Ishida also has the Quincy equivalent of Shunpo. This doesn't necessarily mean that Nemu has Shunpo, she could just be moving very fast anyway, but it implies that it may very well be the case. Anyway, whether Nemu has Shunpo or not is actually irrelevant, since we only have to observe that she can move very fast to conclude that she is quite powerful. This is a point you completely failed to address.
Secondly, yes one of the criterias of being Mayuri's VC is probably blind obedience. So what? How the hell does that prove that Nemu is weak? And do you really think that Mayuri would create an artificial Shinigami just so that he could use his favourite tactic? Besides, you completely failed to address the point that VICE CAPTAINS ARE NOT GIVEN THEIR POSITION AT THE WHIM OF THEIR SUPERIORS. Jesus Christ on a pogostick, you really are an idiot aren't you?
It's also cute how you accuse me of fanboyism while pretending that you're not biased yourself. I actually kind of like Nemu, but that is also completely besides the point.
And unsurprisingly you also failed utterly at seeing the point with my comparison between Nemu and Ichigo. The point was to illustrate that Shinigami powers can be transfered, which implies that they also can be synthetisised. Kon is a good example of how souls can be designed with special abilities, and Shinigami powers are in fact not fundamentally different from any other abilities that come with Reiatsu. I would say that it's simply a matter of training.
Besides, even if we assume that Shinigami powers are special it's not impossible for Nemu to have Shinigami powers. Mayuri could simply steal them (maybe by arranging an "accident"), it's not like he has any moral code to make him refrain from such an action anyway. He is also the head of R&D, so he has all the technology and knowledge in Soul Society at his disposal. Combined with his high intelligence Mayuri could certainly find a way to create artificial Shinigami. He also refers to Nemu at his best creation, which implies that she is powerful.
In other words all the evidence still shows that Nemu is VC level powerwise. Quad Erat Demonstrandum again, bitch.
I also thought that I could make this a little bit more fun by actually demanding that you back up your bullshit. Therfore I have a few questions.
1: Where is it stated that it's impossible to create artificial Shinigami? Chapter and page where the appropriate quote can be found, please.
2: Where is it stated that captains can make any idiot their VC at whim? Chapter and page where the appropriate quote can be found, please.
3: How can it be possible for a sluggish person to surprise someone capable of using Shunpo (or it's equivalent).
Provide full and logical explanations for all these questions, or admit that you're wrong and STFU.