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    Saizou is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazytype
    If I remember correctly quincys donīt have something like reiatsu, at least it isnīt something exceptional, they are just the medium for reiatsu which they absorb from their surrounding.
    The method by which the Quincys get their powers is irrelevant. What matters is that they behave as if they had a high Reiatsu, and therefore it's possible to compare them to Shinigami in terms of power.

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    @ Saizou

    Exactly WHAT made you THINK Nemu used Shyunpo? SHe DIDN'T. Rewatch the anime and Manga. Her movements are WAY TOO SLUGGISH thus ruining the whole foundation of your arguement.
    And you're forgetting that CLOSE QUARTER COMBAT are the archer's weakness. When you have your eye trained on your target you tend to forget everthing else and THATS where Ishida got surprised since he didn't notice Nemu until she appear right in front of his line of view at arms reach. The fact that Ishida avoided Jouribou's attack say more about that person (he is SLOW) than it implies that Nemu is 'shyunpo' like fast.

    Oh RIGHT, I also guess one of the criterias of being Mayuri's VC is 'willingness to get CUT and possibly DIE BY MY HAND'. Okay smarty, Nemu is at her position because its the MOST CONVENIENT for Mayuri (she can be rebuilt, healed). Exactly how much trouble would Mayuri go to put in some powers in Nemu if just making her fast enough to bind the opponent is ENOUGH (since he LOVES to use his easy takedown shikai method)?

    Don't be such a fan of Nemu and overestimate her abilities. Plus you totally misunderstand about the power shinigami power transfer vs power imbule thing. Firstly, Ichigo's initial power display was his OWN power awakened by Rukia's. That power transfer was expected to be only temporary since Rukia figured she would get her powers back before SS would notice (need I point out the details of WHY she DIDN'T?). THE TRANSFER IS NOT PERNAMENT AS YOU EXPECTED. That example also SHOWS that there must be a source of power from which it can be transfered to another. SO WHERE IS MAYURI GONNA STEAL SHINIGAMI POWERS FROM TO IMBULE INTO NEMU? WHAT? You think he is going to CREATE IT? Yeah, that would work like one would creating MATTER from NOTHING (if you know physics you know what I am talking about). Don't make me laugh.
    You really are dense aren't you? You also lie by stating that Nemu moved sluggishly, in the manga she suddenly appears and grabs ishida before he can react, and in the anime (which appears to be a slow motion sequence) she appears in a blur and grabs Ishida before he can react.

    Now, the implications of Nemu being able to grab Ishida in the first place are probably not apparent to a retard such as you, so I'll try to make this simple.

    The point is that Ishida has far better perception than your average joe (or Shinigami). This means that a sluggish attack is simply not going to catch him off guard even if he concentrates on something else. Now this leads to the conclusion that Nemu moved very fast when she grabbed Ishida. High speed in turn implies high power, that is VC level power, since Ishida was undoubtedly above VC level when he fought Mayuri.

    Ishida also has the Quincy equivalent of Shunpo. This doesn't necessarily mean that Nemu has Shunpo, she could just be moving very fast anyway, but it implies that it may very well be the case. Anyway, whether Nemu has Shunpo or not is actually irrelevant, since we only have to observe that she can move very fast to conclude that she is quite powerful. This is a point you completely failed to address.

    Secondly, yes one of the criterias of being Mayuri's VC is probably blind obedience. So what? How the hell does that prove that Nemu is weak? And do you really think that Mayuri would create an artificial Shinigami just so that he could use his favourite tactic? Besides, you completely failed to address the point that VICE CAPTAINS ARE NOT GIVEN THEIR POSITION AT THE WHIM OF THEIR SUPERIORS. Jesus Christ on a pogostick, you really are an idiot aren't you?

    It's also cute how you accuse me of fanboyism while pretending that you're not biased yourself. I actually kind of like Nemu, but that is also completely besides the point.

    And unsurprisingly you also failed utterly at seeing the point with my comparison between Nemu and Ichigo. The point was to illustrate that Shinigami powers can be transfered, which implies that they also can be synthetisised. Kon is a good example of how souls can be designed with special abilities, and Shinigami powers are in fact not fundamentally different from any other abilities that come with Reiatsu. I would say that it's simply a matter of training.

    Besides, even if we assume that Shinigami powers are special it's not impossible for Nemu to have Shinigami powers. Mayuri could simply steal them (maybe by arranging an "accident"), it's not like he has any moral code to make him refrain from such an action anyway. He is also the head of R&D, so he has all the technology and knowledge in Soul Society at his disposal. Combined with his high intelligence Mayuri could certainly find a way to create artificial Shinigami. He also refers to Nemu at his best creation, which implies that she is powerful.

    In other words all the evidence still shows that Nemu is VC level powerwise. Quad Erat Demonstrandum again, bitch.

    I also thought that I could make this a little bit more fun by actually demanding that you back up your bullshit. Therfore I have a few questions.

    1: Where is it stated that it's impossible to create artificial Shinigami? Chapter and page where the appropriate quote can be found, please.

    2: Where is it stated that captains can make any idiot their VC at whim? Chapter and page where the appropriate quote can be found, please.

    3: How can it be possible for a sluggish person to surprise someone capable of using Shunpo (or it's equivalent).

    Provide full and logical explanations for all these questions, or admit that you're wrong and STFU.

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    Do you all really think Kubotite thought it all out in such a detail?

    He just wanted to show the relation between Nemu and Mayuri and Ishida had to be hit by Mayuris attack, whats better than using Nemu for this reason?

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    which ep did they fight in?

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    Crazytype is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    should be in the 150s.

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    @ Saizou

    Yeah, I really see where ur going there....NOT. Need I repeat myself? Prequisite for Mayuri's VC: 'Willingness to be needlessly CUT'
    'Unquestioning obediance'...in other words a SLAVE. Who else but artificailly created Nemu will fill this role? You think that Mayuri will empower such a subordinate? Characters like him NEVER do, they treat them like dogs and consider them disposable since he can just paste her back together again. Why? Because he is selfish and cares only for his OWN power. As far as we know there ISN'T yet a set condition on the choosing of VCs like captains. Just because she is VC you assume that she is as strong. Frankly I feel sorry that she has to bear all that without SS knowing (or maybe they turn a blind eye). About her movement: nice of you to rethink your 'Nemu has shyunpo therefore is VC type' arguement (you're not completely dense) . I hate repeating myself especially at WHY Ishida didn't react. Don't assume that because he is strong he has absolute nerves of steel and can immediately react to everyone as an enemy. You don't suppose she would have appeared BEHIND Ishida instead of in front if there wasn't some intention to exploit his apparaent weakness to protect women or at least surprise him with such an unthinkable technique (you'd think Ishida would react BUT NOT when he couldn't even predict such an attack).

    Bottomline captains choose their VC by their ability compatability with their role: e.g Isane: powerful Kidou using, possible healing, NOT tip top combatant.
    Nemu: brainwashed Obediant doll, willingness to be sacrificed, can be easily reconstructed,

    I find it rich that you can come up with such weak circumstantial evidence and still call me dense whe you realise that your evidance is solid as tofu. Yeah right, 'Mayuri WOULD HAVE given her powers/ have the ability to...' blah blah blah. I am judging based on what IS known. You are pulling cr*p outta thin air to justify your argument. Fast agility = good combat capabilities? Any prey can run and outwit predators but do you really EXPECT the prey to turn around and win a fight with the PREDATOR. Doesn't work that way, or else RARELY works that way.
    Given the example of Kon and artifical combat souls, THEY CAN'T DEVELOP THEIR ABILITIES like normal shinigami developements. You'd think the lack of SHIKAI and BANKAI would be a rather disadvantage as well as kidou (not mentioning large reiatsu naturally gifted to Kenpachi). No zanpakutou (and the neat tricks to go with it), no signs of kidou (and all the neat spells and hand to hand kidou buffs), in amoungst a group of VC shinigamis constantly developing their powers beyond shikai what chance has she got if a means of upgrading doesn't 'meet' Mayuri's interests of her as a mere disposable/reconstructable doll?

    To even respond to your future posts will be to repeat my previous posts so I'll let this matter go (can't be bother being bothered to death).

    That aside, the Mayuri vs Ishida fight occurs in ChApters 121 to 126
    Anime: episodes: 43-44
    "You are a 100 years too early to argue logically with ME......"

 

 
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