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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    how can Ichigo's Quincy powers kill him if they are part of him and Juha Bach cannot take them??
    I think he meant his real self - by becoming a Shinigami, he'd become an enemy. Or maybe he meant it literally, since Juha Bach-getsu seemed to have enough influence over him anyway (imagine he hadn't helped him against Kenpachi...)

    Quote Originally Posted by hellfire86 View Post
    I don't think it's supposed to be on fire. But i could be wrong. It looks more like the outline of the Quincy cross in this case and will fade away to reveal the true form.
    I also thought of a Quincy cross first. Maybe that really is just an effect, or maybe it is fire. But will Kubo really be that cliché...? (why am I even asking? :P). But then again, didn't Ishin have a fire Zanpaktou?

    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    no he's not going away. He's just stepping back, like the hollow stepped back in previous chapters. He used to be the dominant power inside Ichigo, Now Zangetsu is.
    Yeah, I think that's how it is. Hopefully Ichigo will be able to use his Quincy abilities too, though.

    And damn, his pure Shinigami powers were only a fraction of his powers, imagine him now (+ Mask + Quincy abilities)

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    Does that mean he beat Aizen using "a fraction of his shinigami powers"? If it's true I'm guessing with his "full shinigami power" he can just flick his finger to kill every captain and quincy available...This is bulls**t..

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Well that was interesting. I also think Ichigo's real zanpakuto is inside the flames and not the flames themself. I do wonder what kind of presence this "Juha Bach" inside Ichigo is going to have now, will he help Ichigo defeat the real Juha or will he just fade away.
    I guess is the real Juha decides to take his Quincy powers then the Juha inside Ichigo will fade away.
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    Disregarding the complete mindfcuk explanation from last week I THINK I finally understand the whole relationship spectrum between Ichigo's Quincy and Hollow sides a little better. It makes more sense now, if im thinking about it correctly.

    Ichigo is half shinigami and half Quincy and as such he has the ability to choose which side he wants to affiliate with (even though regardless of which side he chose he would have been seen as 2nd class anyways because of his "half breed" status). Bach, being the Shinigami hating Quincy that he is, would want to recruit as much pple to the Quincy cause as possible, so his conscious (which is within EVERY quincy) purposely held Ichigo down from discovering and unlocking his TRUE shinigami abilities, in the hopes that Ichigo would someday learn his quincy roots and switch sides.

    Now what I am still confused of is why is it that Ichigo's hollow seems to be the source of Ichigo's "SHINIGAMI" powers!? Yes, I get that the hollow has a place in Ichigo because it was the same "Hollow-Symbiote" (if you will) that infected his mother and laid dormant within her which then transfer to ichigo.... and i will even go further and say it makes even MORE sense as to why the hollow wanted to wrestle full control of Old Man "Zangetsu", who's really Bach, from Ichigo's consciouness because to do so would mean that the hollow would be in full control of the Quincy, and from the flashback with ichigo's mom it seemed as if the Hollow that attacked her was particularly fond of her Quinciness... as if she "tasted" good?

    *bear with me almost done*

    At the same time, HOWEVER, wasn't the hollow that attacked, infected and has a part to play in ichigo consciouness a special "White Hollow" in the first place? And according to Tousen, or Aizen, arent white hollows their early attempts of making hollowfied shinigami? So basically is it because Ichigo's hollow is ALREADY A SHINIGAMI that it seems to have more of a grip on ichigo's true shinigami abilities? In other words since Ichigo's hollow is mostly made up of "shinigami essense" it has attached itself to Ichigo's TRUE, paternal, zanpakutou and as such acts as the gate keeper??



    I just wanted to get that off my chest since last week but due to all the mindfcukery I refrained, but Old Man Zangetsu made more sense so i needed to get my idea out in the open to see if I am making sense or not....because quite frankly I dont give Kube wrong, because he has ALLL the ingredients to make sense of what he is trying to sell us, but his delivery in connecting the dots is very sloppy, imho, and it seems as if he's just mashing everything together spur of the moment out of convenience.



    P.S. FCUK!!! How the HELL do the Fullbringers come into play then?!?! Come on Kube! Keep it together man!

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    So... When Rukia stabbed him and he absorbed ALL of her shinigami powers, it was really his inner Quincy absorbing those powers, and giving him fake shinigami powers? I don't know about that, because his zanpakto at the time looked like a cross between Rukia's and Ishin's. I think at this point, he was actually a substitute shinigami.

    Later, when Urahara helped him "regain" his shinigami powers, he emerged with his less sword-like zanpakto and a mask. This seems to be where his quincy powers took over, as it was his first conversation with fake-Zangetsu. (Later, I find it odd that for his bankai training, fake-Zangetsu would come out using Urahara's method. So would that method work on all quincies? What about Arancars?)

    I still haven't figured out how the "final getsuga..." plays into this at all. A merger of his quincy and hollow? This doesn't make sense with everything that's been explained, either by fake-Z, or by his father (at the time).

    Finally, after losing his fullbringer, when he was stabbed by his father using the spirit energy of various people from Soul Society. Another snow job by fake-Zangetsu, I guess.

    My head hurts... I'm all for being clever, but retcon it to make sense and be plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liddokun View Post
    Does that mean he beat Aizen using "a fraction of his shinigami powers"? If it's true I'm guessing with his "full shinigami power" he can just flick his finger to kill every captain and quincy available...This is bulls**t..
    No no, that WAS his full power. His base wasn't at full power. His transcendent form was formed out of his inner hollow and his zanpaktou spirit (it was even a younger versions, maybe how he really looks? But I guess that doesn't make sense, since his White Ichigo is both his hollow and Zanpaktou - or not? , so that was his full power. I guess it still has potential to go up, but not by very much, hopefully. His base, shikai and bankai should get a great boost, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by kidistight View Post
    I guess is the real Juha decides to take his Quincy powers then the Juha inside Ichigo will fade away.
    Could also happen, I guess. But I hope not, then he can work on his Quincy skills too

    @ krazy: I'm not fully understanding this now either, but it's either 1) Ichigo's Zanpaktou spirit looks like a Hollow because of Ichigo's hybrid nature or 2) The hollow got the upper hand because Bach supressed Ichigo's real Shinigami powers.
    But as far as I understood it, it's rather 1.

    @ Pezzy: those weren't fake powers, he just supressed his real power but still drew from it, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pezzy View Post
    So... When Rukia stabbed him and he absorbed ALL of her shinigami powers, it was really his inner Quincy absorbing those powers, and giving him fake shinigami powers? I don't know about that, because his zanpakto at the time looked like a cross between Rukia's and Ishin's. I think at this point, he was actually a substitute shinigami.

    Later, when Urahara helped him "regain" his shinigami powers, he emerged with his less sword-like zanpakto and a mask. This seems to be where his quincy powers took over, as it was his first conversation with fake-Zangetsu. (Later, I find it odd that for his bankai training, fake-Zangetsu would come out using Urahara's method. So would that method work on all quincies? What about Arancars?)

    I still haven't figured out how the "final getsuga..." plays into this at all. A merger of his quincy and hollow? This doesn't make sense with everything that's been explained, either by fake-Z, or by his father (at the time).

    Finally, after losing his fullbringer, when he was stabbed by his father using the spirit energy of various people from Soul Society. Another snow job by fake-Zangetsu, I guess.

    My head hurts... I'm all for being clever, but retcon it to make sense and be plausible.

    Well, with the quincies being able to steal freaking BANKAIs, it kinda makes sense that they could steal lower zanpakto levels like how Ichigo did. Perhaow his quincy nature allows him to safely draw from both his hollow and shinigami sides or something like that.

    As far as fulbringers are concerned, I have a theory that Quincies and Hollows are more similar than we think. Fulbringers powers are similar to Quincies in how they work. They can also share/take powers of others of their type as well. I'm thinking Juha is either the first Fulbringer (meaning that all Quincy are FB's as well) or that he may be more hollow than man.
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    Now that you mention Bankai, so the real reason that the quincies couldn't steal Ichigo's was cause it was really his quincy powers and not his true shinigami Bankai, so does that mean that it's now going to be possible for them to steal his Bankai?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    No no, that WAS his full power. His base wasn't at full power. His transcendent form was formed out of his inner hollow and his zanpaktou spirit (it was even a younger versions, maybe how he really looks? But I guess that doesn't make sense, since his White Ichigo is both his hollow and Zanpaktou - or not? , so that was his full power. I guess it still has potential to go up, but not by very much, hopefully. His base, shikai and bankai should get a great boost, though.
    But fake Zangetsu just said he was holding back some of Ichigo's power and only what he couldn't restrain is what he has been using all this time. So if he takes off the proverbial "eye patch" as Kenpanchi likes to do, his power should go through the FCUKING roof. His resting spirit pressure should eclipse Yami's powered up state, if you take into account all the power-ups he has inside of him that have not been taken into account. His robe being tattered for example before he went and fought Aizen, his shingami powers being restrained, his hollow side basically fighting against him, and his quincy powers splitting it's focus. If everything is working together he should be the ultimate hax hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidistight View Post
    But fake Zangetsu just said he was holding back some of Ichigo's power and only what he couldn't restrain is what he has been using all this time. So if he takes off the proverbial "eye patch" as Kenpanchi likes to do, his power should go through the FCUKING roof. His resting spirit pressure should eclipse Yami's powered up state, if you take into account all the power-ups he has inside of him that have not been taken into account. His robe being tattered for example before he went and fought Aizen, his shingami powers being restrained, his hollow side basically fighting against him, and his quincy powers splitting it's focus. If everything is working together he should be the ultimate hax hero.
    I know where you're coming from, but I refuse to believe that Dangai Ichigo wasn't using his full power. Even if his Shinigami powers were normally repressed (in base and bankai), they were still used in Dangai mode to the fullest. At least that's what I think....

 

 
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