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    jonslaught is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Default Spoiler: Bleach 474

    source: source: ALL MANGA SPOILERS

    From Sheetz @ FLOL:

    この計画の発案者
    The originator of this plan,
    黒幕は、ウキタケだった。
    the one who's pulling all the strings, was Ukitake.
    銀城が、イチゴに話しだした。。
    Ginjou tells this to Ichigo
    面白くなってきた!!!!!
    It's become interesting!!!!
    I got a feeling someone is trolling us right now. Big time.
    Last edited by jonslaught; 11-22-2011 at 07:29 AM.

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    BlueDemon is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    From Sheetz @ FLOL

    Must be a fake

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    Jahnin is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    Or not ....

    741 :ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E :2011/11/22(火) 22:38:01.91 ID:FdDE6khAP
    遂に月島を撃破ッ!!残すは銀城のみと思われたその時、驚愕の真実が…!?
    Tsukishima is finally crushed! Only Ginjou appears to remain. What are his shocking truths?
    浦原商店で 寝てる井上 チャド
    At Urahara's shop. Inoue and Chad are sleeping.
    一心 おちついてきたな…
    Isshin: They've settled down...
    浦原 …ええ テッサイさん あとは任せます
    Urahra: Yes. Tessai-san, I'll leave them to you.
    テッサイ はい
    Tessai: Yes.
    一心 どこ行くんだよ?
    Isshin: Where're you going?
    浦原 皆サンのところへ
    Urahra: To where everyone else is.
    一心 加勢か? 俺も行こう
    Isshin: Reinforcements? I'll go too.
    浦原 いえもう大半の戦いは終わってるでしょうから治療に 一心サンは役立たずなんでここに居 てくだせあい
    Urahara: No, The battles are mostly finished and you're no help at healing. Please stay here.
    一心 一護の戦いに加勢して早く片付けたほうがいいんじゃねえか でねえと…
    Isshin: I think I should hurry up and help at Ichigo's fight to straighten up after him. If I don't...
    浦原 銀城空吾から 聞かされてしまう? …いいんスよ いずれは 知る事なんスから
    Urahara: He'll hear everything from Ginjou? It's ok. He'll find out sooner or later.

    474 beLIEve

    イチゴ 俺が… 本当に戦うべき敵…!?
    Ichigo: The enemy I should really be fighting...!?
    銀城 あア
    Ginjou: Yes.
    イチゴ …ふざけんなよ お前らのその手の揺さぶりはもう飽きたんだよ
    Ichigo: Quit bullshitting! I'm tired of your stalling tactics.
    石田 そうだな 形勢が不利と見て驚愕の真実ってやつを提示して心理的に圧迫し ”だから自分 と手を組んだ ほうが得だ”という流れにもっていくのが狙いだ 違うか?
    Ishida: That's right. Seeing you're at a disadvantage you present "shocking truths" to pressure him psychologically into joining forces with you. Isn't that right?
    銀城 形勢が不利だと?どこを見てそう言ってる?悪りイが今の俺はお前等2人相手でも十分勝て る ためしに 後ろから撃ってみろ しゃべりながらでも弾いてやる
    Ginjou: A disadvantage? How do you see that? Sorry, but right now I'm enough to handle the two of you. For instance if you attack from behind I can repel it even while I speak to you.
    石田 …
    銀城 黒崎 お前… 自分が何故代行証を持たされてるか知ってるか?
    Ginjou: Kurosaki...Do you know why you were given the Shinigami badge to hang onto?
    石田 (ーー…!)
    Ishida:...!
    イチゴ … …どういう意味だ?
    Ichigo:...What do you mean?
    銀城 …お前は代行証を渡されたときこう言われた筈だ 死神代行がソウルソサエティにとって有 益であると判 断された場合代行証を渡す決まりになっている・と …よく聞け黒崎  そいつは嘘だ
    Ginjou:...They should have told you this when you were given the badge. The Shinigami badge is given when you are judged by SS to be useful. Listen up, Kurosaki, that's a lie.
    イチゴ !
    Ichigo: !
    石田 (…そこまでは予測していた ひとつの組織にとって有益が無益が害悪かの判断なんてそう 簡単にできる ものじゃない そして何より問題なのは”有益ならば代行証を渡す”のならば  それ以外だった らどうするの かを 黒崎に教えていないことだ)
    Ishida: (...I predicted that much. For a single organization to judge one's usefulness or harmfulness isn't a simple matter. And above all there's the question: if he was given the badge after being deemed useful, why wasn't Kurosaki told what would happen to him if he weren't?
    銀城 正確には ソウルソサエティにとって有益か無益かは関係ねえ 有益だろうが無益だろうが  等しく代行 証はわたされる
    Ginjou: The truth is, being useful or not is irrelevant. Either way you are given a badge.
    石田 (…!!)
    Ishida: ..!!
    銀城 代行証の正式名称は「死神代行戦闘許可証」 現世での死神ア代行のかつそうを許可する証 明証だ
    イチゴ 知ってる
    Ginjou: The formal name of the badge is the "Acting Shinigami Agent Combat Permit." It authorizes you as the Acting Shinigami Agent in the real world.
    Ichigo: I know that.
    銀城 だがお前は今までに その効力を実感したことはあったか?
    Ginjou: But up till now have you ever felt its effects?

    イチゴ、アフさんに代行証を見せた時のことを思い出す
    Ichigo remembers the time he showed the badge to Afro-san.
    イチゴ 黒崎イチゴ!死神代行だ!ほれ代行証!
    Ichigo: Kurosaki ichigo! Acting Shinigami Agent. Here's my badge!
    アフさん 何だそれは!?そんなもの見たことも聞いたこともないわっ!! 
    Afro-san: What's that? I've never seen or heard of anything like it!!
    イチゴ なんだコレ 全然役に立ねえじゃねえか
    Ichigo: What the hell? Is it completely useless?


    742 :ohana ◆IR7jauNn4E :2011/11/22(火) 22:38:40.62 ID:FdDE6khAP
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    イチゴ …代行証には なにか別の役目があるって言いてえのか…
    Ichigo:...Then you're saying the Shinigami badge has a special purpose?
    銀城 …あア 代行証の役目は 監視と制御だ 代行証のおかげでソウルソサエティは常にお前の 居場所を補足でき 少なくともお前が代行証をそばに置いてるときは お前の霊圧を制御できてい た 疑問はな かったのか? 死神の姿ですが昂れば暴走するお前の〇z津が
    Ginjou: Yeah. The purpose of the badge is surveillance and governance. Thanks to the badge SS can always know your whereabouts. At least as long as you're near the badge they were able to govern your reiatsu. Didn't you ever suspect? As a shinigami going on a rampage. [TN: There's a typo here so I'm not sure what she means.]
    人間の姿をしてるときには何の影響ももたらされなかったことに
    お前が代行証を使ってフルブリングしたとき代行証からお前の霊圧が噴き出したことに フルブリ ングの鍛錬中 に 代行証を通して仲間の声が聞こえたことにー
    When you were human you even felt its effects each time. When you used the badge to bring out your reiatsu. During your fullbring training you heard the voice of your nakama through the badge.
    代行証はソウルソサエティとの通信装置であり お前の霊圧を吸収し解析し制御するためのもの  お前はソウル ソサエティに監視され
    The badge is a communication device with SS. It absorbs your reiatsu, analyses it, and governs it. You are being observed by SS.
    制御されるために代行証を渡されたんだ
    You were given the shinigami badge so you could be governed.
    違和感を感じなかったわけは無えんだ お前はそれを無意識のうちに押し殺してただけなんだ 戦 いを通じてわ かりあった相手が
    It's not that you didn't have a sense of unease. You were unconsciously crushing it.
    自分をだます訳は無え
    It's not that the opponent I understood through fighting is deceiving himself.
    お前はそう信じたかっただけなんだよ イチゴ
    It's just that you wanted to believe it, ichigo.
    教えてやろう この計画の発案者は 浮田十四郎 十三番隊隊長
    Let me tell you. This plan's originator was Ukitake Jyuushiro, captain of the 13th division.
    護廷十三隊で最も平和を愛する男に 俺たちは嵌められたんだよ イチゴ!!!
    The Gotei 13's most peace-loving man is the one who placed us in handcuffs, Ichigo!!

    石田 (ホン用にまずいのは そのどれでも無かった場合だ)
    Ishida (The truly awful case is none of those mentioned.)

    銀城 奴の狙いは俺達を監視し制御しソウルソサエティのための手駒として使い 反抗すれば抹殺 することだ!
    Ginjou: His aim was to observe and control us, to use us as soldiers for SS. And to eradicate us if we resist!
    石田 (まずいー…)黒崎!!!(こんな真実に今の黒崎が耐えられるわけない!!
    Ishida: (Awful...)Kurosaki!!! (Kurosaki won't be able to withstand these kinds of truths the way he is now.)
    銀城 そのことをお前以外のソウルソサエティの連中は全員解ってる お前は見殺しにされてんだ よ イチゴ! !
    Ginjou: All your colleagues in SS understand. They are all watching, letting you die, Ichigo.
    石田 聞くな黒崎!!
    Ishida: Don't listen, Kurosaki!!
    イチゴ うるせえ!!!
    Ichigo: Shut up!!!

    イチゴ 卍解
    Ichigo: Bankai!
    …惑いを、かき消す咆哮ッ!!
    A roar to erase delusions!!
    終わり★サーセイ
    End.

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    Tek22 is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/99028841/1

    So it's out, and basically the spoiler's completely true. Can someone hurry up an read it and explain to me what's so bad about what soul society is doing? I don't get how it's evil for them to want to keep tabs on ichigo, I mean it's not like they attacked him and tried to kill him yet

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    Yazen is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    You're asking why Kubo is terrible at writing...

    too much weed

    also they aren't talking about why it's so terrible that Ichigo is being watched but I think he's trying to get the point across that SS can destroy Ichigo anytime they want as long as he has the badge.

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    The part about limiting reiatsu also does not sound good but still...

    Ginjou: "They watch how you masturbate!"
    Ichigo: "Huh?"
    Ginjou: "They want you to die! Nobody loves you!"
    Ichigo: "Kill me, Kubo!. I want out of this manga!"

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    So...... basically... Ukitake actually has a job to do? No shit they are keeping tabs on Ichigo! Unlike REAL shinigami Ichigo is more of a liability for SS since he's still alive and is connected to both worlds. They cant let a mere human with that much strength, who's also conscious of his abilities, loss in the real world. Seeing as how Ichigo knows about his "hollow side effect" I think he should already be accepting of the idea that one of his friends, or higher up SS official, would have to put him down if he ever went Berzerk.

    But that is either here or there, nothing really new. Ginjou probably went rouge cause he couldnt accept the fact that he was nothing more than an expendable foot solder.

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

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    Default Bleach: Chapter 474


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    BlueDemon is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jahnin View Post
    Or not ....
    Yeah, I thought I read Urahara, and not Ukitake! This way it isnīt that crazy at all!

    And I agree with all the other guys who think this isnīt that big of a deal. Thing is, Ichigo will feel betrayed anyway (and who wouldnīt?), but I guess heīll get over it with all the friend blabla...

    And yeah, BanKai. Who wouldīve thought...-.-"

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    After Ichi told everybody to shut up, I paused and made a prediction how the chapter would end (not really realizing there was only one page left). I predicted Ichi would give a speech about how "I don't care about that kind of shit, blah blah blah, you hurt my friends/family, blah blah blah, now I'm going to murder you" and whip out his bankai.

    I'm glad he decided to skip the speech. Of course, this just means it will happen next chapter.

    Less talk, more murderin'!

 

 
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