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    hellfire86 is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Honestly i have to disagree there. He lost his powers 20 years prior and by Urahara's admission of apology. I think his lack of power is due to Urahara himself giving him one of those reitsu supressing gigai and he thought wearing it for around 20 years might have cut his power siginificantly as it did to Rukia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    When Grand Fisher came back and Isshin showed up as a shinigami, Ichigo was talking with Shinji, Shinji said " This shinigami reiatsu...I dont know him, who is it?".
    A hundred years passing would do that, especially when one never knew the person in question to begin with. Let me reiterate, how well did any of the squads know about each other. From the very beginning of SS arc, everyone kept hush hush on their squads and abilities. During the first VC meeting, Renji had to ask Matsumoto who her captain was. The same thing happened when Kira and Matsumoto fought for the first time, showing they had no clue about each other sword abilities.

    I think that scene was just to show that years passed, and not having good contact between each other tends to get people to forgot.

    That or maybe Isshin's reiatsu was much larger than what it used to be, making him not recognize it.

    Not only is Ichigo shit at sensing reiatsu which has been talked about many times before, but Isshin just got his shinigami powers back, and knows how to control it which was also brought up in that chapter or the next so no matter how long Ichigo's been around him he would have never sense it.
    And yet he sensed Isshin's reiatsu in the exact same page. He may be shit at sensing reiatsu but he can still do it. Again, whether he can or can't it doesn't matter. Unless Shinji and company actually MEETS Isshin, then the only people who would be able to recognize them would be the aforementioned captains.

    10th died pre TBtP Shunsui brings it up, for Isshin to be promoted he would need to be a seated officer.
    Which puts him as a VC.

    There was a VC it was brought up in the Secret Interview (Page 3)
    Same response as above.


    So your saying he became the 10th Captain found out about Aizen and Urahara and didn't tell Yamamoto, so now he's just become one of the most stupid Shinigami to join the group.
    Why doesn't ANYONE tell Yamamoto ANYTHING. If people had reported straight to Yamamoto at the beginning of the SS arc, Ichigo and company would be long dead. If Yoruichi had gone to Yamamoto and explained to him calmly and clearly, Aizen would not have made out with the Hougyouku.

    That or on his way back, he got blamed for something, much like what Urahara went through.

    Please give this scenarios, because I wouldn't say that without seeing past 10th Captains, I also wouldn't say that because Hitsu is a fan fave so if he can be put into the mix he will be.
    I have. Also, just because he is a fan fave, doesn't take away his character/duties in the manga.

    How old is Masaki lol
    It wasn't well stated, but I meant to say that Isshin met her somewhere during her 20s, and before Ichigo's birth. So somewhere 30ish years before the birth of Ichigo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellfire86 View Post
    Honestly i have to disagree there. He lost his powers 20 years prior and by Urahara's admission of apology. I think his lack of power is due to Urahara himself giving him one of those reitsu supressing gigai and he thought wearing it for around 20 years might have cut his power siginificantly as it did to Rukia.
    Soul Society is capable of "erasing" the powers of a Death God as it was part of Urahara's sentence by Central 42 in TbtP, probably through the use of the artifacts they have stored in their vault (Ukitake stole one to seal the Phoenix that came out of the Execution Zanpaktou to save Rukia). Considering that Isshin lost his powers, he was probably convicted of some crime by Central 42 and had his powers nullified and i still think it's related to his association with Ryukken.

    Why doesn't ANYONE tell Yamamoto ANYTHING. If people had reported straight to Yamamoto at the beginning of the SS arc, Ichigo and company would be long dead. If Yoruichi had gone to Yamamoto and explained to him calmly and clearly, Aizen would not have made out with the Hougyouku.
    You honestly think that Yamamoto would listen to reason? Especially from wanted criminals? He didn't even flinched when it was pretty obvious that Rukia's sentence was far too harsh for her "crime". He's a stubborn military type character, that would've been pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineVTDragon View Post
    It wasn't well stated, but I meant to say that Isshin met her somewhere during her 20s, and before Ichigo's birth. So somewhere 30ish years before the birth of Ichigo.
    Sorry, I still don't think this is clear enough. It sounds like you're saying Misaki was 50 when she gave birth to Ichigo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineVTDragon View Post
    A hundred years passing would do that, especially when one never knew the person in question to begin with. Let me reiterate, how well did any of the squads know about each other. From the very beginning of SS arc, everyone kept hush hush on their squads and abilities. During the first VC meeting, Renji had to ask Matsumoto who her captain was. The same thing happened when Kira and Matsumoto fought for the first time, showing they had no clue about each other sword abilities.


    I think that scene was just to show that years passed, and not having good contact between each other tends to get people to forgot.

    That or maybe Isshin's reiatsu was much larger than what it used to be, making him not recognize it.
    Sorry but what does abilities have to do with reiatsu, you don't need to know anyones abilities to sense/feel someones reiatsu.

    And yet he sensed Isshin's reiatsu in the exact same page. He may be shit at sensing reiatsu but he can still do it. Again, whether he can or can't it doesn't matter. Unless Shinji and company actually MEETS Isshin, then the only people who would be able to recognize them would be the aforementioned captains.
    Shinji doesn't need to meet Isshin to know a familiar reiatsu.

    Which puts him as a VC.
    So what was he the Captain or Vice Captain, because you said he was the captain and now your saying he's the Vice Captain(who didn't get premoted to captain, yet he wears a messed up haori) your starting to contradict yourself.

    Same response as above.
    Not really because You messed up.

    Why doesn't ANYONE tell Yamamoto ANYTHING. If people had reported straight to Yamamoto at the beginning of the SS arc, Ichigo and company would be long dead. If Yoruichi had gone to Yamamoto and explained to him calmly and clearly, Aizen would not have made out with the Hougyouku.

    That or on his way back, he got blamed for something, much like what Urahara went through.
    Death already made a point and here's another one Yoruichi left SS she had no more authority there he would have killed her on the spot. Oh and they did report to him read it again.

    I have. Also, just because he is a fan fave, doesn't take away his character/duties in the manga.
    You jus said recon nothing else, as BF has stated we haven't seen any past 10th captains.

    Also the 10th is not a recon division there are only a few special divisions.

    2nd-Special Ops
    4th-Medical
    12th-Science
    11th-if you choose to see this as one but swordmanship(no kidou)

    The 10th doesn't have one.

    It wasn't well stated, but I meant to say that Isshin met her somewhere during her 20s, and before Ichigo's birth. So somewhere 30ish years before the birth of Ichigo.
    You still make her sound old.
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    I can't believe you guys are arguing over theories in Bleach. One thing to consider: Kubo Tite's mind is not as complicated as yours. As a matter of fact it is much simpler. you are setting yourselves up for disappiontment

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    ^ Thats just the product of a week without manga. When theres nothing to read people tend to dwell on distant bleach possibilities and outcomes. This series doesn't even deserve the brilliant theories that its showered with on this forum to be perfectly honest, ESPECIALLY after reading Kube's interview. The man's head is filled with so much writer's block that he might as well take some acid or shrooms to get some better inspiration for his predictable, linear plot -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    ^ Thats just the product of a week without manga. When theres nothing to read people tend to dwell on distant bleach possibilities and outcomes. This series doesn't even deserve the brilliant theories that its showered with on this forum to be perfectly honest, ESPECIALLY after reading Kube's interview. The man's head is filled with so much writer's block that he might as well take some acid or shrooms to get some better inspiration for his predictable, linear plot -_-
    u saw how ridiculous that interview was too?? i thought only me and blackflash realized how mentally challenged a writer Kubo Tite was.
    Even StealDragon who used to defend Bleach every time we criticized it, gave up doing so.

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    I gave up on bleach a long time ago myself. I just watch it for the sake of finishing it and argue over isshin because he's one of the few characters i still like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    ^ Thats just the product of a week without manga. When theres nothing to read people tend to dwell on distant bleach possibilities and outcomes. This series doesn't even deserve the brilliant theories that its showered with on this forum to be perfectly honest, ESPECIALLY after reading Kube's interview. The man's head is filled with so much writer's block that he might as well take some acid or shrooms to get some better inspiration for his predictable, linear plot -_-
    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    I can't believe you guys are arguing over theories in Bleach. One thing to consider: Kubo Tite's mind is not as complicated as yours. As a matter of fact it is much simpler. you are setting yourselves up for disappiontment

    Hey look, more needles bitching from people who obviously dislike the series but make a point of getting in here for the single purpose of telling how crap Bleach is when there's actually constructive discussion happening.

    Discussion about "Isshin" is anything but distant krazykwasi and Kubo already planted enough enough information for theories to sprung up, especially after Aizen's speech about Ichigo's Death God/human father and Isshin stopping just in the climax of it.

    But this posts will get the usual "Kubo doesn't plan for anything/Cereal plot" cookie cutter bullshit reply that you guys repeat like a broken record every week. Whatever, this section is complete shit anyways when 98% of the people don't like the fucking story the section is devoted to so i don't really care, much better forums out there.

 

 
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